What year did "emissions" tractors and equipment start?

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Was it 2008?

I'm looking at a John Deere backhoes for sale (310s and 410s) and am curious when the last of the non-emissions tractors and equipment were. I think it was '07, but I'm not sure.

Thanks.

 

[jeff9366]

Stricter Tier IV off-road diesel engine emission reduction standards phased in dealer tractor inventory during 2009 - 2012, impacting tractor prices.

 

[Hay Dude]

Generally speaking tractors 2012
Generally speaking cars & trucks 2008

 

[Tinhack]

It started earlier than that for cars. I remember my 71 Grand Prix having all manner of pollution junk on it--Vacuum lines everywhere controling valves and doors. The Quadra jet on top of a 400 was the only thing keeping it ahead of the VW bugs.

 

[5030]

Actually, T3 came about around 2002 for tractors. I own a 2002 T3 interem Kubota. Still mechanical fuel injection but with a wastgated turbo to cut down on visible particulates (smoke). When it became T3 final is when the stupidity started.

 

[LouNY]

Here is alink to a document with the full scope and time frame of the EPA's meddling on diesels;
Emission Standards: USA: Nonroad Diesel Engines

Tier 4 emission standards—Engines up to 560 kW, g/kWh (g/bhp-hr)

Engine Power	Year	CO	NMHC	NMHC+NOx	NOx	PM
kW < 8 (hp < 11)	2008	8.0 (6.0)	-	7.5 (5.6)	-	0.4a (0.3)
8 ≤ kW < 19 (11 ≤ hp < 25)	2008	6.6 (4.9)	-	7.5 (5.6)	-	0.4 (0.3)
19 ≤ kW < 37 (25 ≤ hp < 50)	2008	5.5 (4.1)	-	7.5 (5.6)	-	0.3 (0.22)
2013	5.5 (4.1)	-	4.7 (3.5)	-	0.03 (0.022)
37 ≤ kW < 56 (50 ≤ hp < 75)	2008	5.0 (3.7)	-	4.7 (3.5)	-	0.3b (0.22)
2013	5.0 (3.7)	-	4.7 (3.5)	-	0.03 (0.022)
56 ≤ kW < 130 (75 ≤ hp < 175)	2012-2014c	5.0 (3.7)	0.19 (0.14)	-	0.40 (0.30)	0.02 (0.015)
130 ≤ kW ≤ 560 (175 ≤ hp ≤ 750)	2011-2014d	3.5 (2.6)	0.19 (0.14)	-	0.40 (0.30)	0.02 (0.015)
a - hand-startable, air-cooled, DI engines may be certified to Tier 2 standards through 2009 and to an optional PM standard of 0.6 g/kWh starting in 2010 b - 0.4 g/kWh (Tier 2) if manufacturer complies with the 0.03 g/kWh standard from 2012 c - PM/CO: full compliance from 2012; NOx/HC: Option 1 (if banked Tier 2 credits used)—50% engines must comply in 2012-2013; Option 2 (if no Tier 2 credits claimed)—25% engines must comply in 2012-2014, with full compliance from 2014.12.31 d - PM/CO: full compliance from 2011; NOx/HC: 50% engines must comply in 2011-2013

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

If I'm reading that chart correctly, a 90hp John Deere 310 or 410 loader backhoe didn't have much for emissions equipment until 2013. Is that correct?

 

[LouNY]

Teir 3 hit them around 2008 which was fuel timing and injector styles also many had gotten EGR between 2004-2008. But no DPF/DOC or DEF till around 2013. There were some common rail electronic injected motors prior to tier 4 many of those had much better torque curves and fuel economy then the same engine with mechanical injection.
Case in point on the Farm the IH Puma 125 is a fancier much more electronic tractor then the similar NH 6050 which is a mechanical tractor just prior to tier 4. The PUMA starts better in cold weather and will pull hills faster and easier and gets better fuel economy when doing the same work.

 

[Tx Jim]

Generally speaking tractors 2012
Generally speaking cars & trucks 2008

My 2011 Kubota M7040 has older style inj pump & injectors but has an EGR valve

 

[rScotty]

Was it 2008?

I'm looking at a John Deere backhoes for sale (310s and 410s) and am curious when the last of the non-emissions tractors and equipment were. I think it was '07, but I'm not sure.

Thanks.

Ours is a 2007 310SG with the optional 410 bucket & cylinder. 4wd, extendahoe, weights, cab & AC. Also has a single rear remote - flow thru type for breaker rather than the preferred F/R valve for thumb.

It does not have any emissions equipment and has mechanical injection for each cylinder i.e. 4 separate pipes from fuel pump to injectors.

HOWEVER, it does have a computer and those early SG computers mounted in the engine compartmenta are known trouble spots. Later had the computer in the cab. Good for about 5000 hrs in the engine compartment. Symptom of failure beginning is swelling of case & temp gauge goes to full on starting.
The cost to repair is simple: About $3000 total. Another $2K to move the computer to the cab.

It works for us, but makes an argument for going to a pre-SG model at least.

 

[Hay Dude]

My 2011 Kubota M7040 has older style inj pump & injectors but has an EGR valve

Yes! Internationals have cooled EGR’s prior to ‘08.
This is why I said “generally speaking”.

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Ours is a 2007 310SG with the optional 410 bucket & cylinder. 4wd, extendahoe, weights, cab & AC. Also has a single rear remote - flow thru type for breaker rather than the preferred F/R valve for thumb.

It does not have any emissions equipment and has mechanical injection for each cylinder i.e. 4 separate pipes from fuel pump to injectors.

HOWEVER, it does have a computer and those early SG computers mounted in the engine compartmenta are known trouble spots. Later had the computer in the cab. Good for about 5000 hrs in the engine compartment. Symptom of failure beginning is swelling of case & temp gauge goes to full on starting.
The cost to repair is simple: About $3000 total. Another $2K to move the computer to the cab.

It works for us, but makes an argument for going to a pre-SG model at least.

I just put money down on a 2007 410J (4wd, weights, A/C, air seat, Xhoe, and powershift). I have the understanding that it is pre-emissions. 3,800 hours and seems to be in very good condition, inside and out. Former township machine.

 

[rScotty]

I just put money down on a 2007 410J (4wd, weights, A/C, air seat, Xhoe, and powershift). I have the understanding that it is pre-emissions. 3,800 hours and seems to be in very good condition, inside and out. Former township machine.

Sounds like a wonderful deal and a township is the right outfit to break in your 310. In fact it does sound close to the same machine. Ours has 5800 hours ...I think. Also has the air seat - I'll never have another tractor without an air seat. I forgot to mention comfort ride - which is real nice for roading when the bucktet is full. I think they are all powershift..

So what about that engine computer? In the engine or cab?
I took the serial number to the JD (yellow) dealer and he printed me the original sales order plus every maintenance done on warranty & after.
rScotty

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

I have no idea where the computer is on this machine.

BTW, that is a nice piece of equipment you have there. These machines (loader backhoes) are so versatile.

 

[rScotty]

I have no idea where the computer is on this machine.

BTW, that is a nice piece of equipment you have there. These machines (loader backhoes) are so versatile.

Well, shucks. ask the service manager at the (yellow) JD dealer. You can do it when you ask for the complete history on your JD - if they do that there. He can show you where the "engine computer" mounts to the inside of the frame just forward of the battery box after you open the hood. Or hopefully in yours it is in the cab, instead. It's a box not much bigger than your hand and has a 20+ pin plug in one end. I bet he knows all about it. My dealer had two rebuilt units in stock for instant trade-out. They have to be matched to the tractor....

BTW, everyone at my yellow JD dealer is a delight to talk to after the green JD dealer.
They didn't sell me the machine, never met me, and they are huge dealer. But everyone there always tries to see if they can add a little extra value to my visits.

Yeah, the 310 is a classic. Each model is better than the last. Good ones are amazing durable.
On the other hand, you need to buy one with everything you want. Just adding a thumb to our 310 would cost about half what the Kubota cost new - and the Kubota came with a thumb.

rScotty

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Well, shucks. ask the service manager at the (yellow) JD dealer. You can do it when you ask for the complete history on your JD - if they do that there. He can show you where the "engine computer" mounts to the inside of the frame just forward of the battery box after you open the hood. Or hopefully in yours it is in the cab, instead. It's a box not much bigger than your hand and has a 20+ pin plug in one end. I bet he knows all about it. My dealer had two rebuilt units in stock for instant trade-out. They have to be matched to the tractor....

BTW, everyone at my yellow JD dealer is a delight to talk to after the green JD dealer.
They didn't sell me the machine, never met me, and they are huge dealer. But everyone there always tries to see if they can add a little extra value to my visits.

Yeah, the 310 is a classic. Each model is better than the last. Good ones are amazing durable.
On the other hand, you need to buy one with everything you want. Just adding a thumb to our 310 would cost about half what the Kubota cost new - and the Kubota came with a thumb.

rScotty

I actually did consider the Kubota M62, but four things hurt it:

1. I already have a new Massey Ferguson 4707 with the upgraded loader. An M62 is a more capable machine (loader wise) than the 4707, but not by a significant amount. We do some materials handling on our farm, most of which is loam, so the loader portion of a machine is important to me. The M62 simply wasn't enough of an upgrade over what I have now. A 410 is a HUGE loader upgrade over either the 4707 or the M62.

2. Emissions. I've heard horror stories of problems with equipment with emissions controls, namely DEF and DPF, so I wanted to avoid that stuff. A used 310 or 410 from before 2013 checks that box.

3. No cab. After buying this 4707 with a cab, heat, A/C, and an air ride seat, I don't want to go back to open station. This '07 410J has all those features, too. I'm thrilled to have found it.

4. Price. It's astonishing that *IF* you can find a used M62, they will command more money than many 310s and 410s. A new M62 is nearly $100k optioned out and you don't even get a cab.