Whats causing the missed bales?

[Barry 1]

I agree with Ken Sweet. The twine these days is garbage. Thick and thin, thick and thin. I got tired of bales that would break at the knot,when you pick them up,and switched to the orange plastic twine-problem solved!
There are alot of causes,for miss tied bales,and knots breaking,but bad twine was my biggest problem.
Last year I switched to plastic, and my old JD14T and Ford 532 have not miss tied one bale since.

 

[trac]

At the NH baler factory, they have no hay. They pull the twine back to the rear of the bale chamber and hold it, trip the knotter, and tie a knot. Just stating a point, that if the knotter is set up right, it will tie! They use to send the twine, with a perfect knot, with a new balers, to the sellling NH dealers, to prove it tied. We toured the factory and witnessed this for ourselves.

 

[5030]

Isn't there a slip clutch behind the flywheel or somewhere? If yes it sounds like it has rusted and now didn't slip.

It's in front of the flywheel on a 575. A multiplate clutch that's designed to slip if something gets in the bale chamber. It also is designed to slip when the bailer is running at full capacity. States in the manual that the clutch will get hot from slippage when running (at capacity).

Could have fooled me on a new Deere bailer having an auger. The new bailers look strikingly like NH bailers right down to the knotter shield.... (I was just at the Deere dealer last week to pick up some parts for my rake)...

My only comment about having a log in the windrow is... I can see that when mowing because it's hard to see what is lying on the ground ahead of the mower but the crop was mowed, raked and windrowed. In all my years of contract haying, I've never had a log in a windrow because by the time the crop is windrowed and ready to bale, I've physically removed and debris, sticks, plastic bottles, paper plates, items of clothing, etc, because my customers (and myself) don't want trash in bales..... and I do a whole lot of acres in various locations and I watch closely, what is not only in the windrow as I'm bailing (the windrow is right next to rh wheel so I can watch it) but how the crop is feeding into the pickup).

On a 575, the packer fingers are driven by endless chain(s). That chain is driven by a sprocket that's attached to the intermediate shaft that runs fore and aft of the sprocket, to the aft, driving the gears that actuate the knotters and a PTO that runs the pickup via a lost motion belt arrangement. Ahead of the sprocket, toward the gearbox, the shaft is driven by another sprocket and chain that transfers power from a sprocket attached directly to the input shaft behind the flywheel that's shear bolt protected and the slip clutch is in front of that (flywheel). If the clutch was operable and the correct shear pin was in place, there would be 2 avenue's to relieve the shock load of an obstruction. Sounds like a frozen slip clutch and/or the wrong shear bolt installed. There are no 'pillow' blocks in the drive system excepting the ones that carry the last packer (closest to the bale chamber) fingers and the eccentric arm. All the bearings are sealed flange type.

Candidly, I could care less about implement (or tractor) color. I run every color but in forage implements, my personal preference is NH with the exception of rakes and then it's Kuhn rotary.

 

[flusher]

At the NH baler factory, they have no hay. They pull the twine back to the rear of the bale chamber and hold it, trip the knotter, and tie a knot. Just stating a point, that if the knotter is set up right, it will tie! They use to send the twine, with a perfect knot, with a new balers, to the sellling NH dealers, to prove it tied. We toured the factory and witnessed this for ourselves.

Rear of the bale chamber? The baler is running so wouldn't the plunger get in the way. I can see the NH guys pulling the twine in the other direction (away from the plunger and bale chamber toward the metering wheel/arm assembly) and then tripping the knotter.

 

[Barry Bowen]

Can any one give me a link to this new JD baler that does not have the auger?

I switched to plastic twine years ago for the same reason, inconsistency in sisal twine. I have also gotten away from the orange twine since I was told by a twine dealer that the orange color comes from iron oxide that is added as the colorant. This is pretty abrasive on bill hooks in particular. This means I will use any color but orange. This year I used blue from NH. It worked great all season.

 

[5030]

I agree with Ken Sweet. The twine these days is garbage. Thick and thin, thick and thin. I got tired of bales that would break at the knot,when you pick them up,and switched to the orange plastic twine-problem solved!
There are alot of causes,for miss tied bales,and knots breaking,but bad twine was my biggest problem.
Last year I switched to plastic, and my old JD14T and Ford 532 have not miss tied one bale since.

..and all along I was under the impression that the papewr wrapped balls of oversized kite string at TSC was for flying oversized kites, not for square bales.

At least the late model NH bailers only run 170 poly.

 

[5030]

Can any one give me a link to this new JD baler that does not have the auger?

I switched to plastic twine years ago for the same reason, inconsistency in sisal twine. I have also gotten away from the orange twine since I was told by a twine dealer that the orange color comes from iron oxide that is added as the colorant. This is pretty abrasive on bill hooks in particular. This means I will use any color but orange. This year I used blue from NH. It worked great all season.

Gee, never knew that. If you have pets, better quite feeding them dry dog food. The red coloring in dry dog food is iron oxide... Might be abrasive on their digestive tracts........

If I told you how marischino cherries were made, you'd puke.:laughing:

My 575 has run in the over 50,000 bales and the billhooks are just fine. All on 170 Red/orange NH (Fiat) poly.

 

[AKfish]

Isn't there a slip clutch behind the flywheel or somewhere? If yes it sounds like it has rusted and now didn't slip.

Yes, there's a slip clutch on the driveline. I don't know why it didn't spin out and save the front feeder. Guess he had it set way tight or it took a set last winter...

The chain didn't break.

But the front feeder had both teeth bent, the shaft completely sheared off between the sprocket and the feeder, both of the pillow block bearings broke in half. Because the shaft is welded to the feeder teeth and the pillow block bearings are assembled on shaft before the final weld on assmebly - you have to buy the entire unit.

Found one in a warehouse in Texas. Dealer did not want to sell it. Needed it for possible warranty replacement.

Back ordered.

AKfish

 

[5030]

Yes, there's a slip clutch on the driveline. I don't know why it didn't spin out and save the front feeder. Guess he had it set way tight or it took a set last winter...

The chain didn't break.

But the front feeder had both teeth bent, the shaft completely sheared off between the sprocket and the feeder, both of the pillow block bearings broke in half. Because the shaft is welded to the feeder teeth and the pillow block bearings are assembled on shaft before the final weld on assmebly - you have to buy the entire unit.

Found one in a warehouse in Texas. Dealer did not want to sell it. Needed it for possible warranty replacement.

Back ordered.

AKfish

Sure your are talking about a late model 575?

There are no teeth on a 575. There are 3 packer forks (2) on a 550. The packer forks are chain driven and the drive sprocket engages the intermediate drive shaft with a key and set screw, it's not welded. Finally, there is no pillow block bearings anywhere on that shaft, they are all split flange bearings...

...and I'll say it again, the ONLY PILLOW BLOCK IS ON THE UPPER ECCENTRIC THAT DRIVES THE CLOSEST TO THE BALE CHAMBER PACKER FORK. Thats it.

Just to make sure, I went out and looked under the access panels. Been wrong before, not this time.

If you are referring to the pickup teeth, they are driven by a lost motion belt arrangement.

 

[AKfish]

There are no 'pillow' blocks in the drive system excepting the ones that carry the last packer (closest to the bale chamber) fingers and the eccentric arm. All the bearings are sealed flange type.

Candidly, I could care less about implement (or tractor) color. I run every color but in forage implements, my personal preference is NH with the exception of rakes and then it's Kuhn rotary.

The timothy hay field is a newer planting. Three years old now, I'd guess. So, there are still a few remnant pieces of the spruce, aspen and birch trees that were previously occupying the area. Especially near the outside edges of the field.

The last packer finger next to the bale chamber has 2 cast pillow block bearings on the shaft in the center of the fingers. There's a grease zerk in the middle of each bearing. On his 575 they are not removable or replaceable. The drive sprocket is not removable from the shaft, either.

During manufacture, the components; drive sprocket, packer fingers, pillow block bearings, and shaft are assembled and then welded together as a unit.

However, if you load up a 5"x18" tree limb into the packer fingers -- they'll break and you can end up with all the individual parts -- what's left of 'em!

I'm not a color fanatic... Have a NH tedder, a Kuhn rake. Even have an 'ol 9N to spread fertilizer with! Next tractor will likely be a Kubota... or maybe a New Holland. Deere guys up here are not on my Christmas list!

AKfish