What's the point...

[Citydude]

As a former training specialist, the day does come when you have ran your full course when dealing with people in a learning environment. You feel Your advice and experience isn't valued anymore. In most cases, that day comes with resentment. Sounds like he has ran his full course.

 

[Looking4new]

I am sorry to see SA go.

 

[roadhunter]

Well, I'm don't doubt this guy could weld, but I wouldn't want to drink a beer with him. Something tells me he would say it was the wrong beer, it should have been exactly 33.5 degrees, and would go on a rant about 3 legged vs 4 legged bar stools. I feel he had tons of experience but he always thought he had "THE" answer, and not one of several hundred Internet opinions. His simply was "fact", and there was no sense continuing the discussion once the master had graced us with his Word.


Edit: It reads more negative then I meant to be... to some it up trade skilled yes; people person... maybe not so much

+1........^^

 

[Soundguy]

Who left? Sheildarc?

It that really what you think happened?

It seemed to me that he got in a huge pissing match over 110v welders and recommending that some 70 year old woman needed a 230v welder and then started insulting peoples welds and calling them hacks after looking at pics they posted of projects they had done with thier 110v welder. Basically going to great extents to be an all around jerk about it and when he got called out he threw atantrum like a child including cussing and took his ball and went home never to return.

I have no doubt the guy is really talented and has helped many people but his bully mentality and insults turned negative and extremely immature toward the end. It's unfortunate that he could not simply get over the 110v welder pissing match but he escalated it to a point where he felt the need to leave instead of simply letting it go and moving on.

 

[Jesse masterson]

I enjoyed sheild arcs posts and learned a lot from him however I feel just because someone has a mind of there own and disagrees with someone no matter how much exsperience is there right as a man, help who can be helped and leave it at that! I think it's immature to get in a huff and quit because 1 or 2 people may argue with you!

 

[Soundguy]

Whenever Shield decided he didn't like someone, the quality of his advice dropped substantially, and instead of advice he lobbed insults, then tried to use his years of experience to convince members it was "advice" he was giving.

Ahh.. so it is Shieldarc.

Hmm..

That is the user that told me that:

I wasn't a real man becuase I owned an AC only machine

I was ashamed because I only owned an AC machine.

That I should try to hide the fact that I owned an AC machine because my friends and spouse wouldn't like me.!!!

Doesn't matter how much experience he has, if he did not aprove of your machine.. he insulted you.

Some of us are farms that need to buzz a piece of rusty metal to another piece or rusty medal, during a windstorm with some rain.. and need it to last 20 minutes while we pull a trailer in... Shield didn't realize that every welding project out there doesn't have to be x-ray quality and donw with a 1000-x$ gas mig with cnc setup.. and he ridiculed AC people endlessly.

I don't doubt one minute he has a ton of experience and good info to fill a library of welding books.

but his bedside manner was poor!

I guess I can now actually make posts in the welding forum again without him bumping in telling me i'm a bad person with no self esteme because of my hobart 235ACXL machine......

 

[Soundguy]

I enjoyed sheild arcs posts and learned a lot from him however I feel just because someone has a mind of there own and disagrees with someone no matter how much exsperience is there right as a man, help who can be helped and leave it at that! I think it's immature to get in a huff and quit because 1 or 2 people may argue with you!

it's imature to insult people that don't own the equiment you approve of... that was a huge part of the issues.. if you look back of a few years of posts.

he didn't like your equipment.. he insulted you..... on one thread he was handing out them right and left and i actually saved screen shots. the bulk of that thread got pruned. Later on shield denied making some of the comments.. I pointed out i had screenshots in case he forgot... that earned me another few insults!

 

[dusty3030]

Ahh.. so it is Shieldarc.

Hmm..

That is the user that told me that:

I wasn't a real man becuase I owned an AC only machine

I was ashamed because I only owned an AC machine.

That I should try to hide the fact that I owned an AC machine because my friends and spouse wouldn't like me.!!!

Doesn't matter how much experience he has, if he did not aprove of your machine.. he insulted you.

Some of us are farms that need to buzz a piece of rusty metal to another piece or rusty medal, during a windstorm with some rain.. and need it to last 20 minutes while we pull a trailer in... Shield didn't realize that every welding project out there doesn't have to be x-ray quality and donw with a 1000-x$ gas mig with cnc setup.. and he ridiculed AC people endlessly.

I don't doubt one minute he has a ton of experience and good info to fill a library of welding books.

but his bedside manner was poor!

I guess I can now actually make posts in the welding forum again without him bumping in telling me i'm a bad person with no self esteme because of my hobart 235ACXL machine......

Reminds me of a time flying cross country on a USMC KC130. One of the rear doors (jump door , not ramp) would not correctly shut.
The crew chief and loadmaster took all of 2 seconds to figure out a solution and they hooked one end of a ratchet strap to the door, the other end to a tie down point on the floor and cinched it up - while we were taxing - and we took off.
By the book fix is academic when it is time to go.

 

[dusty3030]

Also, word to the wise while I am on the subject of Marine Corps aviation - NEVER get on a CH 46 this isn't leaking oil everywhere, because that means its empty and not safe to fly.

 

[Sodo]

It was obvious from the beginning, to anybody with a few years experience, that Shield Arc had no experience whatsoever actually using 120v MIGs. Which is not surprising at all, when would he ever be near a 120v MIG? What is surprising is that a guy with so much genuine experience needed to pull such a stunt, extending his experience into unknown territory. And risk his credibility when it's so easily proven otherwise.

He then got ahold of a 120v MIG and actually started using it, and realized his "position" on 120v MIGs had escalated to a point of ridiculousness (for YEARS). Rather than eat a little crow, he's taking a break, doing the "miss me yet?" gig.

I got several usefull tips from Shield, but I had to steal them. Welding in little J's, slow the wire, up the voltage. Why didn't he just give these tips outright (to 120v welders) from the start? That's what members want to know.

If Shield will take a break this gives opportunity for other "less-outspoken" experts to come out of the woodwork. I'm tired of being the 120v expert because I really don't "know" anything. I'm looking forward to hearing advice from someone who actually wants to help. And maybe Shield will come back when this has all blown over. If he would keep going on his "discovery of 120v MIGs" and apply his knowledge, I think many members would welcome him back.

 

[Yooper75]

I'm sad to see Shieldarc go but some of you guys need to understand that the guys working big iron or have worked big iron are a different breed but under the gruffness and what some take as insults are meant well and in humor even if it doesn't seem like it. I'm saying this because I've met a few big iron guys and thought they were complete A-Holes at first but once you understand them they are the nicest guys you will ever meet that will give you the shirt off their back.

Moral of the story is don't judge a book by the cover or even the first few chapters for that matter.

 

[LD1]

I dont follow all of the welding section much. So I am not "up" on everything that has transpired. But...correct me if I am wrong:

The root cause of all of this is he hated 120v welders. And thought that they werent useful beyond doing sheet metal auto-body type repairs.

And then he got one, and did some testing with it, and his quote was something like "these coupons look very good to me"???

While I didnt personally have any issues with shield arc, and have respect for his knowledge, I think soundguy said it best.

Shield didn't realize that every welding project out there doesn't have to be x-ray quality and done with a 1000-x$ gas mig with cnc setup.

Which makes it hard for someone with that much experience to come on a website like this where people are trying to learn and make their own repairs. Only way to get better is by trying. And if a weld fails, try it again until you get it right. You dont need $5000 welders and 4 years of schooling and 30 years experience to repair a busted piece of ugly farm equipment.

 

[Walkin Horse]

it's imature to insult people that don't own the equiment you approve of... that was a huge part of the issues.. if you look back of a few years of posts.

he didn't like your equipment.. he insulted you..... on one thread he was handing out them right and left and i actually saved screen shots. the bulk of that thread got pruned. Later on shield denied making some of the comments.. I pointed out i had screenshots in case he forgot... that earned me another few insults!

l

Last nite I was patching up my brush hog that I had torn up. I was jacking it with a comealong bar clamps clamps prying with a 2x4 and beating on it with a claw hammer cause I couldn't find the sledge hammer. I'm in a panic. I want to cut before it gets dark.

My wife comes out and stands there and I tell her watch out don't look while I weld. She wants to see my welds. I tell her no way. I'm patching this rusty junk up with some 6010 just tryin to get it done. So she walks over and looks when I stop. She said You make a livin doin that. Ah we're goin lose everything.

Talk about insults.

 

[BlacknTan]

As we get older, we find out that the younger generation thinks we don't know diddely... Been that way since day one!

Another insult we have to get used to in our "Golden Years..."

Deal with it ..

 

[downsizingnow48]

I was enjoying SAs posts on using the 120v machine, the tests on 3/16, and looking forward to more. Lots to learn there.

I don't see "professional with great equipment" and "get er done with what you have" as exclusive things. Surely TBN has room for both perspectives. I respect both because I know I can learn from both. It is good when people with different outlooks work together on a problem.

I'm going to tell a story but it has a point. Once had a lawyer and a contracting agent who fought all the time. Didn't bother me, I needed both of them. Then they started badmouthing each other to clients. OK. I made them have lunch together once a week. Told them, I don't care if you just spit on each other, you gotta have lunch. Within 3 weeks they became more respectful and stopped bickering.

My point is, slinging electrons across the internet is not the best way to resolve differences. Some of the folks here are close enough they could arrange to meet and talk this stuff through face to face.

TBN is a place where the pros and the regular guys can talk together, that is worth preserving in the welding forum.

 

[ruffdog]

I've been welding for more than 40 years. Some jobs were 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some repair welding while the work is moving, some work hanging upside down from a harness. I've done MIG, Stick, and TIG. I've used 120v to big 1/16" wire Miller units. I do pretty good welding but there are ALWAYS better people out there for ANY job you think you are a pro at. Does it really matter if Shield stays or goes on TBN? It is JUST a internet forum....don't take things so serious. If someone bugs you, walk away for a while because it's not worth it. :drink:

 

[Soundguy]

I'm sad to see Shieldarc go but some of you guys need to understand that the guys working big iron or have worked big iron are a different breed but under the gruffness and what some take as insults are meant well and in humor even if it doesn't seem like it. I'm saying this because I've met a few big iron guys and thought they were complete A-Holes at first but once you understand them they are the nicest guys you will ever meet that will give you the shirt off their back.

Moral of the story is don't judge a book by the cover or even the first few chapters for that matter.

The coments direct at me sfro shield were not a joke and were meant as insults. No question about it.

I will miss his skill and expertiese.... I will not miss 'him' as a person.

No reason to leave though... just practice avoidance.

 

[Sodo]

I just learned that one of the most knowledgeable contributors on this forum has had enough and pulled the plug. I understand why he left and can't blame him for leaving. Haven't decided yet if I'll stick around. Seems there's a few people on here that don't think years of experience count for anything. Sad day at TBN. :smiley_aafz:

Arc I think years of experience DO count. I think berating without actual knowledge is what doesn't count. Not having any 120v MIG experience does NOT erase all that you do know, or make your input irrelevant on a welding forum. Posting such strong opinions prior to experience has stretched your credibility, but you don't have to do it that way in the future.

It would be great if you would take the time to do a bunch of test-plates with 120v MIGs and offer genuine experience. I bet you could offer years of assistance after a few short days goofing around with test plates. You will come up to speed hundreds of times faster than a normal guy. I guarantee that members will be interested in your discoveries of welding with lower power. You could learn something too.

As long as you are trying to succeed a 120v MIG, and show how to make them WORK. As opposed to the prior wisdom which was primarily stick-welders trying to "fail" 120v MIGs for some unknown reason.

I don't consider this a sad day at TBN, just a necessary adjustment. As you can see both you and Shield are valued here, and don't need to berate to get respect.

 

[dragoneggs]

l

Last nite I was patching up my brush hog that I had torn up. I was jacking it with a comealong bar clamps clamps prying with a 2x4 and beating on it with a claw hammer cause I couldn't find the sledge hammer. I'm in a panic. I want to cut before it gets dark.

My wife comes out and stands there and I tell her watch out don't look while I weld. She wants to see my welds. I tell her no way. I'm patching this rusty junk up with some 6010 just tryin to get it done. So she walks over and looks when I stop. She said You make a livin doin that. Ah we're goin lose everything.

Talk about insults.

:laughing::laughing: I guess I am lucky... I don't think my wife knows the difference.

 

[dragoneggs]

I just re read the entire 12 MIG welder thread started by Shield Arc, and to be honest, I cannot see what was the final straw that killed his enthusiasm. :confused3:

It seemed to be going better than normal and SA was about to crank it up on some thicker gauge material. I think this is what many of us wanted to see.