What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider?

   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #81  
You are saying since I appear to be about the only one speaking up that is close to the OP's intended stated tasks that due to me not being in the majority then we have to give a wide range of advice predicated on assumed facts not in evidence,
Pat

Has nothing to do with majority.. and yes.. the OP need to realize he will likely use his tractor for more taskes other than the three he listed.

Not thinking ahead like that can get you too small or too big of a tractor. How many here have bought and then traded a couple years later after they realized they needed bigger or smaller.

A wide range of ideas, of what is and can be done with small to large tractors will help the OP. You seem to fall int he middle of the range, and DO share many of the tasks he mentioned.

soundguy
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #82  
Has nothing to do with majority.. and yes.. the OP need to realize he will likely use his tractor for more taskes other than the three he listed.

Not thinking ahead like that can get you too small or too big of a tractor. How many here have bought and then traded a couple years later after they realized they needed bigger or smaller.

A wide range of ideas, of what is and can be done with small to large tractors will help the OP. You seem to fall int he middle of the range, and DO share many of the tasks he mentioned.

soundguy


Of course the OP would probably use his tractor for many tasks not envisioned at the start of his analysis. I suspect most of us did that, especially starting a new enterprise. Why is it that it must be assumed that all those tasks will demand larger more powerful tractors?

Until or unless further requirements analysis is done BY THE OP, not bystanders, we nor he may ever be able to make a good decision to cover reality as it will inevitably unfold. So, we should be somewhat circumspect in reading into the sceanario our personal prejudices when they do not relate to the original question.

If someone can say for a fact that a small cattle operation, whatever that is, consists of the following tasks and lists them, then we can suggest ways of meeting those requirements. Unfortunately, there are different versions of a small cattle operation. You can run stockers, or you can go cow-calf, or feed lot, or... I am guilty of assuming he doesn't want to run a feed lot. Any evidence he does? From his post I gather he is likely to be thinking cow-calf but stockers is a definite possibility. either way I think I have a fair handle on what that entails having been running and currently running a small cow-calf operation and being familiar with a stocker op.

I am not devaluing ANYONE'S suggestions as to how much tractor it takes to do what they do or propose the OP may do. Where I take exception is in assuming facts not in evidence and that because in someone's experience they need xx HP to bull a yy foot wide batwing to complete a job 1/2 hour before they start that a similar tractor will be a good fit for the OP. I realize we all approach a problem with our own backgrounds and prejudices (smacks of having only a hammer so every job looks like a nail) but we can't reasonably recast the problem from his statements into whatever best fits a commentator's experience and bias without departing from service to the OP (supposed reason for participating in this thread.)

Lets give the deceased equine a rest from our sadism, what say?

If the OP surfaces again (hopefully he will) he may have the results of more analysis to share with us so we can give more accurate assistance to him instead of bantering back and forth to fill the dead air.

Unless someone insists on picking at the scab, lets let this heal over and go on.

Pat
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #83  
I think you guys have scared the OP off with all your jousting...nice job! :rolleyes:
Not sure that is true but from all the posts I read I'm not sure if the poster adequately defined his needs.

Needs something big enough to handle a back-hoe, scoop out the barn, work a garden, haul some hay. Maybe some pasture work from time to time but I don't recall anything requiring a large tractor with exception of kind of bales to be moved. I'd think the Bolens could handle the garden chores.

Did the OP actually say he would be lifting round bales? I'm in neighboring state of Oregon and round bales are not all that popular. Sq bales still rule. To much hay being hauled across state for round bales to be popular. I only know of one nearby farm that uses round baler and that is for his own use.

I'm sorta in line with FWJ, an older model in decent condition that has some real weight for the HP, something in the 50 HP range. When I was haying my MF 165D served me well. Had a friend that farmed about 100 acres with a MF 165 gas model. Did haying and row crops. Later they added a Dave Brown 990 (?) to permit 2 tractors to be used at same time.
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #84  
Of course the OP would probably use his tractor for many tasks not envisioned at the start of his analysis. I suspect most of us did that, especially starting a new enterprise. Why is it that it must be assumed that all those tasks will demand larger more powerful tractors?Pat

Did you actually read my -entire- post? or just the first line before you replied.

I mentioned both smaller and larger applications.

Soundguy
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #85  
from all the posts I read I'm not sure if the poster adequately defined his needs...

No.. pretty vauge considering the gambit of things he mentioned.. IE.. real small and decently big chores.



Did the OP actually say he would be lifting round bales? I'm ..

No he didn't say he was moving round bales.. but he DID say he wanted a hay spear... Since I've never seen a spear for a square.. I think we can safely infer that he means he will be handling rounds..

Rounds are one of those make/break items with tractors when deciding size.

If you were talking mower or backhoe.. then a small one will eventually get the job done.. just take longer.. the rounds onthe other hand.. if your hyds can't lift them.. or you machine is sufficiently small as to make it unsafe or damaging to the machine.. then it's a no-go...

soundguy
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #86  
No he didn't say he was moving round bales.. but he DID say he wanted a hay spear... Since I've never seen a spear for a square.. I think we can safely infer that he means he will be handling rounds..

I've reread the OP's posts. I'd say that he doesn't exactly have a lot of experience and may very well not have any idea about the various trade offs between square and round bales or for that matter anything else regarding setting up a small cattle operation. I don't mean that as a knock just that he is asking some perhaps naive questions in order to understand what he should be thinking about. That is a good thing and just about all of us on TBN were once at that stage (we'll exclude you Soundguy, I think you were born in a tractor;)). At this juncture it is pretty clear the OP "cowboy" is all hat, no cattle. I'm sure this thread will give him lots to think about and that vigorous civil debate does in fact bring out important distictions better than a simple "get a XXhp tractor".
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #87  
yep.. the more info the better, in this case.

IMHO.. if he's doing serious cattle.. rounds are the economical way to go.. squares will eat his lunch!

maybee if he had a single minature cow.. then he could do squares...

soundguy
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #88  
Square Bales come in the large size too!

The large rounds transport quite well with a highway tractor trailer unit.:D
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #89  
Square Bales come in the large size too!

The large rounds transport quite well with a highway tractor trailer unit.:D

Large squares can be worked with a sufficiently large tractor with a FEL mounted bale spike (intended for big round bales) with sufficiently robust and lengthy "helper spikes" either side and lower than main spike. The helper spikes are there on the round bale handler to prevent spinning of the bale and to let you spear the bale much lower without it rotating but will "work" a square bale.

A few years ago I wanted to get a new rear axle assembly for my air cooled VW based dune buggy and when I went to a VW junk yard the owner fired up a big JD tractor with a hay spike on it and went up on the hill, speared a bug, and brought it down to the shop and suspended it for disassembly. Unfortunately it was the wrong style axle so he took it back and speared another (correct type) and brought it down to remove the desired parts. Yet another creative use of a round bale spike. Oh, he didn't spear through metal parts, just stuck the spike through the open windows and picked it up.

Lets not assume the OP is retarded. He is probably aware of what bales he would be handling.

Pat
 
   / What's the smallest practical HP/Tractor you'd consider? #90  
I kinda figured the OP drove of into the middle of a field in Eastern Washington without a compass and is still trying to figure out how to get home without running out of fuel!:D

Sounds like them bale spears would work for moving loose branches and stuff too!:D
 

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