Whats wrong with the L4400?

   / Whats wrong with the L4400?
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#31  
I hope the brush guard is included but I'm not sure. Like I say, I read somewhere that the loader for the 3400 came with the guard but never saw that for the 4400. It is listed as an option in the brochure. I don't know what it costs but I'd hate to pay $300-$400 for something like that, but at the same time I'd really like to have it. Maybe I can get them to throw it in. The tractor that is in stock has the fold down ROPS which is extra and which I care nothing about. Maybe he'll throw in the guard to make up for that.

I'm paying out the nose for a rear remote ($690!!). Does anyone know how this is operated? Is there a lever or actuator somewhere? If so, where? Is it within easy reach?
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #32  
When I first started looking at new tractors I liked the L4400 feeling the power, features (or lack of them) and price make it a good package. Then I looked into the transmission more and it has scared me away, if only it was fully synchronized like the FST transmission.

Then when digging into it a little more I heard some comments that the transmission is very loud due to its design. Any comments on this? Also I gauged what speed I cut at now with my old JD and see that the travel speed I use now is between gears on this transmission (not positive though) where I would have to travel either 3/4 mph slower or 3/4 mph faster. Can anyone tell me the actual speed per gear on this tractor? Also I would be interested in hearing what range and gear you are cutting in. If low is synchronized and 4th is fast enough (4 mph) maybe it will work.

Another question is there any issues with the 3ph being jerky like I have been reading about on the L2800 and L3400?
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #33  
George,

Don’t know about the L4400, but I used to shift my B-6000 by just “blipping” the throttle match RPMs (without even using the clutch). It never even came close to grinding a gear. Going from Low to High range was a bit more complicated!!!!


Hope this is of some help,

Gary
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #34  
"Well, I'm not sure what your point is, and I'm no expert in towing, but,..."

My point is that the tractor is a heavy load. We have hills here is Washington and to trailer that tractor with a crew cab half ton will be at or over the ratings. The truck will tow it though. The one ton Ford sounds like a good deal for towing without the white knuckles.

This may be against the rules but I have made a discovery. The Kioti DK40 or DK45 tractor has all the features of the L4400 plus a fully sync'd tranny and reverser. Comes with remotes, comes with at least as good specs as the L4400 and reportedly costs a lot less. The Kioti route is the "economy Kubota" route it would seem, looks like the old simple Kubotas that made Kubota its name. If you are forward thinking enough to be looking at the L series, then I would ask that you at least take a look.

Going from a bells and whistles GL3130 to a L4400 or DK45 is quite a progression/regression. Value engineering is what they used to call it.
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #35  
N80, mine came with the brush guard I believe it is included with the FEL.
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #36  
N80,
Just to show how the guard comes in "handy", this happened last night.
I had leaned my 6' rotary cutter up against an oak tree so that we could do some deck repair and remount the gear box. I picked it up with chains and it swung back toward the the tractor and hit it pretty hard when it left the ground. Brush guard caught the lick and no apparent harm was done. Well, maybe a little paint off the guard but it is a tractor you know. Without the guard, I would have been picking up some pieces and wondering how to put it back together, straighten it or how much it would cost for parts.
Jeff
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400?
  • Thread Starter
#37  
FL4400, yes you are right. I confirmed it with the dealer and it does come with the FEL.
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #38  
Last October, N80, I was asking almost the same question as you; it was, "What's wrong with the L4300?". Had an opportunity to buy one at closeout (the L4400s were comin') prices. Saw very little about it here on TBN and was suspicious. Turns out there was nothing to fear.

Took delivery of the L4300 in December and couldn't be happier. Truly a 'Bang for the Buck' tractor.

Comparing the specs, the L4400 will be a little heavier, a little bigger, with improved engine access, a little more hydraulic pump capacity and the same engine. The L4400 will also have a more sophisticated transmission with 4 reverse speeds (compared to the L4300s 2 reverse speeds) plus a basic shuttle shift capability.

That said, the L4300 has done everything I want and more besides. The limited hydraulic pump capacity is nothing to fear. The FEL moves plenty quick at engine speeds above 1500 RPM and, even at idle speed, has enough muscle to lift the rear of the tractor off the ground (with loaded rears).

So far I've used the tractor to move snow with a 7' back blade, pull out small trees and cut brush with a 6' Woods Brush Bull 720. It has plenty of power and moved snow easily with the engine barely above idle.

Final drive to the rear wheels is via spur-cut bull gears. They are noisy. However, I really don't notice the noise in low range. In high range you will definitely hear them and it may be annoying if your work requires alot of road travel.

Other than noise, there's nothing wrong with bull gear final drives. As I recall the old 2 cylinder Johnny Poppers were built that way and we all know that they weren't quitters. Spur gears are alot less expensive than the planetary gear sets used on the up-scale equipment. For the work I do, they're not an issue and I'm glad for the savings.

The one significant drawback to the L4300 is the limited selection of reverse speeds. Even the low range reverse is too fast in my book. I couldn't hope to use a 3-pt. mounted snow blower on it. But the L4400 should correct this deficiency with four reverse speeds.

Another advantage of a basic tractor like the L4300/L4400 compared to the duded up Grand L Series is that you'll be more likely to work it than protect it. It's simple and solid without much to break. Kubota builds them well so it should work 'out of the box' without fussin', fiddlin' or calls to the dealer. In much of the world, basic tractors are the rule and probably Kubota's bread-and-butter tractors. Here they're the exception.

Things I really like about the L4300: low, compact profile with sidemounted exhaust (nice around trees), verrrry smooooth engine (Kubota knows how to make 'em), very quick starting (even when cold), tight turning radius, independent hydraulic PTO, strong FEL, good low-end power, excellent traction in 4WD (Loaded R1s in rear) and very good fuel economy.

As good as my L4300 is, I can't believe you would be unhappy with the L4400, it being more tractor and all.
FWIW
Bob
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400?
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#39  
Bob, excellent review. If the spur gears are as durable (reasonably) as planetary gears (even if they aren't as forgiving) then I'm fine with that. The noise won't bother me, this will be by far the quietest tractor I've ever driven.

Either way, the die is cast. They're delivering mine in two days. I'll plan on writing a complete review as soon as I've spent some time with it. I'll have nothing but minimal experience with much older and larger tractors, but a review of this type of tractor probably ought to be from a noobs perspective anyway.
 
   / Whats wrong with the L4400? #40  
Yes that is an excellent post about the L4300. Couple of questions for you. Do you run the cutter with the FEL attached? If not does the 6' cutter make the front a little light? What gear/range do you cut in? Is the transmission really synchronized in low range?

N80 I look forward to your review in the future.
 

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