Where did the boy scout thread go?

   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #41  
IIRC, the rejection was usually something along the lines of "the project is too complicated/involved" and it was from the district or council level (cant remember which) board that reviewed Eagle projects

Aaron Z

No offense, but if a young man thinks he can do it (whatever his eagle scout project is), I'd plain out tell the district or council they have their head of their arse if they think the young man can't do it because it's "too complicated or involved".

I'd also tell the young man to prove them wrong.

All that said, my one boy got into sports at school, and the other into music and photography at school, and to be honest, I'm not fighting to give my time back now unless my local troop/pack asks for help. I figure 6 years was a good run, particularly since I didn't find out about scouts years ago when I was in Virginia for work and my wife called and informed me that I was taking them:laughing: 3 months later after the pack formed, I got "elected" as cubmaster because if I didn't do it, the pack would fold.

One idea I did impliment that I'm kind of proud of is they still give out BB guns and air rifles as an "added reward" to the most improved scout. That BB gun could really mean a lot to a kid that doesn't have much. Needless to say, the BSA does not endorse the shooting of any type of guns (BB's included) unless the shooting event is held on BSA property or is a council run event.
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #42  
Here's the skinny on pinewood derby cars, or, as the Girl Scouts call them, powder puff derby cars (really, not fooling).....

You need the weight as far back on the car as possible. Use tungsten weights. They can concentrate the weight even more towards the back. The reason for being so far back is this:

The track is a hill at the start, then levels out to a flat plane.
The only time the car is accelerating is when it's dropping down, not going forward.
So, you want the weight as far up that hill as possible so it has the most distance on the hill to keep accelerating before leveling out on the flat plane.
By putting the weight at the very back of the car, in a concentrated mass like tungsten, that's where it'll do the most good.

Now lets talk axles... nails, as some people call them. Put the nail in a dremel tool and spin it on some very fine emery cloth, but not too much. Just to get it polished a bit.

Now here's the best secret.... build a three-wheeled car. ;)

Why? Less friction, less drag.

Pre-drill your axle holes in the wood, but drill the front right or front left axle (doesn't matter which) 1/16" higher than the other three.... so when you mount the wheels and axles to the car, you should be able to set the car on a flat surface and one of the front wheels will be juuuust off the ground by about 1/32". You should be able to press your finger on that high corner and rock the car up and down just a tad.

So now you want to pack dry graphite powder into the hole on the wheel, slip the polished nail axle through the hole, and pack a bit more graphite in the hole for good measure.

Push the nail into the pre-drilled hole, but don't press it all the way in.

Take a butter tub lid, and cut a credit card sized flat piece out of it. Then cut a slot in it to fit around the axle nail. Using that as a spacer between the wooden car and plastic wheel, you can now tap the nail home every so gently, until the wheel is firm against the butter tub lid. Then slip the butter tub lid out and you have a perfectly spaced wheel from the body. Repeat for the other three wheels.

As for body shape, ideally, you'd want a very low and narrow wedge, just high enough to mount the wooden cross members for the axle supports. By removing as much weight as possible from the front of the car and using tungsten weights at the very back of the car to bring it up to 5oz, you've now created the best chance for the longest push with as little friction before leveling out on the flat.

In all reality, when it's done, it would resemble a modern day rear engined dragster, but with the wheel set out farther to fit on the track.

Come race day, when they set five cars on the track, and drop the starting gate, your car will literally BLAST a couple feet ahead of the other cars so fast it will look like it was shot out of a catapult. You'll hear a sucking of air, a millisecond of silence, then "OOOOOOOOooo!!" from the crowd, followed by murmurs of "dad built that car" :laughing:

So how did we figure this out? My kid built a normal car, looked great, ran good, but the kid across the street had a car that looked professionally made, just like all her 4H projects that her mom and dad did for her. She won by a long shot. My kid had enough, so she set her goal to beat that kid the next year. Not very girl scouty, and not a good lesson to learn about that sort of thing..... but hey, she had a goal and went after it. She started googling stuff, and we built it together. I'd cut a scrap piece, then show her how to cut scrap pieces, and she kept at it until she had a car she liked. She sanded and painted everything, drilled all the holes, mounted all the weights, etc... I can honestly say she researched and built the car herself.

So in the end, on race day, she ran 5 heats, took 1st place in the senior division, and beat the 2nd place neighbor kid by a cumulative .002 or .003 seconds over 5 rounds! It was THAT close! :thumbsup: And she was very happy. I got the evil eyes from a bunch of parents, but some guy always does that day, so what the heck. Victory is sweet! :licking:
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #43  
So in the end, on race day, she ran 5 heats, took 1st place in the senior division, and beat the 2nd place neighbor kid by a cumulative .002 or .003 seconds over 5 rounds! It was THAT close! :thumbsup: And she was very happy. I got the evil eyes from a bunch of parents, but some guy always does that day, so what the heck. Victory is sweet! :licking:

As I explained to my own boys, it's only a pinewood derby. If winning means the derby means so much for you 10 years from when you won it, your life must suck pretty bad:D

Nice summary on the car though:thumbsup:
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #44  
I never was a Boy Scout, so I just learned something new. Until about 2 hours ago I always thought that a soapbox car was something which the kids rode down a hill. It just goes to show that you're never too old to learn. :D
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #45  
Regarding guns . . .
My troop would go to winter camp each January. The Scout Reservation had two big cabins that could be reasonably warm and hospitable in winter. Because there was a limited range of activities doable in winter, one of the key items was target shooting. And -- hold on to your hats -- we were allowed to bring our own 22 rifles. Yes, boys between 11 and 17 could just bring a rifle to camp. And what was amazing was how many of the kids brought their own rifle -- not their parents rifle -- their own rifle. Can you imagine that going on today?
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #46  
Regarding guns . . .
My troop would go to winter camp each January. The Scout Reservation had two big cabins that could be reasonably warm and hospitable in winter. Because there was a limited range of activities doable in winter, one of the key items was target shooting. And -- hold on to your hats -- we were allowed to bring our own 22 rifles. Yes, boys between 11 and 17 could just bring a rifle to camp. And what was amazing was how many of the kids brought their own rifle -- not their parents rifle -- their own rifle. Can you imagine that going on today?

We built a couple cabins when I was in the scouts growing up in vermont. Got everything donated. Cut poles for the frame out of trees and had a pole barn hut. Texture 1-11 for the siding. Had a sleeping loft, picnic table and wood stove.

The adult cabin had a donated couch, cook stove, gas lights, and wood stove, plus a wood floor.

But, to get our winter camping badge we built and slept in a lean to made of pine bows. Cooked over a campfire, and couldn't hangout in the cabin. We camped out during a snow storm before. All said and done we got 1 1/2 foot of snow that night. We had a blast. But I don't think too many kids would be out there these days.
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go?
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#47  
Regarding guns . . .
My troop would go to winter camp each January. The Scout Reservation had two big cabins that could be reasonably warm and hospitable in winter. Because there was a limited range of activities doable in winter, one of the key items was target shooting. And -- hold on to your hats -- we were allowed to bring our own 22 rifles. Yes, boys between 11 and 17 could just bring a rifle to camp. And what was amazing was how many of the kids brought their own rifle -- not their parents rifle -- their own rifle. Can you imagine that going on today?
Our scouts go camping in dec just to go shooting. More rules now, but they still shoot.
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go?
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#48  
We built a couple cabins when I was in the scouts growing up in vermont. Got everything donated. Cut poles for the frame out of trees and had a pole barn hut. Texture 1-11 for the siding. Had a sleeping loft, picnic table and wood stove.

The adult cabin had a donated couch, cook stove, gas lights, and wood stove, plus a wood floor.

But, to get our winter camping badge we built and slept in a lean to made of pine bows. Cooked over a campfire, and couldn't hangout in the cabin. We camped out during a snow storm before. All said and done we got 1 1/2 foot of snow that night. We had a blast. But I don't think too many kids would be out there these days.
Our troop camped in snow every yr. I have pics of them running barefoot in the snow, and burning socks over a campfire. Backpack trip on AT once at 0°.
Our motto was
"If it's raining we're training
If it's snowing, we're going"
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #49  
As I explained to my own boys, it's only a pinewood derby. If winning means the derby means so much for you 10 years from when you won it, your life must suck pretty bad:D

Nice summary on the car though:thumbsup:

Yes, it sucks horribly and our children are now menaces to society. ;)

I just asked my kid what she remembers the most out of that experience, now that she's 20. Her reply:

"That scroll saw scared the crap out of me. I thought it would cut my fingers off!" :laughing: So much for the part about parent/child bonding.... :rolleyes:
 
   / Where did the boy scout thread go? #50  
I learned to shoot at Boy Scout camp. Never shot a rifle in my life before that. I did pretty well. Went throught the first three NRA awards in just a couple days. The instructor was an old marine instructor named Mr. Hill. He was a HUGE African American man with a deep voice and chewed a cigar. He asked me to bring my father to meet him when the parents come to pick you up at the end of the week. So I did. He and my dad talked for a while. They brought be back up to camp the next weekend to finish another award at no cost. Then the instructor gave my dad some contact info, set me up with an instructor at the local YMCA (how many of your Y's have shooting programs anymore?), and just like that I was on a youth team shooting competitively on a 50' indoor range at 14 years old. At the Y, they set me up with a gunsmith, and he, the instructor, and my dad picked out a Remington 580 rifle that fit my small size and budget. The gunsmith installed peep sights on the rifle and did some trigger work to it. I have to say, on a 50' course, that little $69 rifle with a couple hundred dollar sights and a nice, light trigger held its own against $2000 Anshutz rifles. Anyhow, I owe it all to Boy Scout camp.

I also got all of the waterfront merit badges that they offered at the time. Swimming, diving, snorkeling, lifesaving, canoe, rowing, sailing, motor boating, and, of course, fishing. :thumbsup::laughing:

I really enjoyed my years in scouting. And, just like about every other parent run activity, it died as the parents that ran it stopped volunteering. Our scoutmaster got sick and had to quit. The older kids graduated from high school. No parents were left to run it. My dad had to volunteer to be scout master or the troop would have folded. We still went on a lot of camping trips, summer camps, etc... but it was hard on my dad. I wanted out at about age 17 because I was the oldest, and the rest of the kids were 15 or younger. So that was that.

I can compare the experience of adult volunteerism in Boy Scouts with the same issues in Little League, Girl Scouts, youth sports team organizations, private school committees, etc....

Sometimes you get a great group of volunteers with some great leaders and the program thrives. But when the leaders doing so well running the program quit because their children have finished, rarely is there an adequate replacement to step into the shoes, and the program languishes, and eventually dies.

Just as my dad had to take over as scout master, I had to take over as softball coach for one of my kids. There was just no one left to do it. I had no experience, other than watching other coaches. We did well. Had 19 girls on the team and all of them played equal time and we were .500 for the year, and would have been in the finals in the tournament, but, due to weather, our win was nullified because the other three games were cancelled, so the league just decided to use the previous games final scores and gyp us out of a tournament..... stupid adults. :rolleyes:
 

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