Tiller Which 3PT tiller do you prefer?

sweettractors · Sep 4, 2004

Looks like the "Facts" look pretty impressive for Italy as the #1 Roto Tiller Mfgr in the world and I personally like the way that country is supporting our efforts in the Global "War on Terror"--Ken Sweet

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Keoke · Sep 4, 2004

Ditto on the Kuhn. Very heavy and solid.
Downside, they are expensive.

HayDR · Sep 4, 2004

The JD 647, 655, 665, 673 & 681 tillers are Sicma SPA manufactured products.

JJT · Sep 4, 2004

I've had a 72" KK for 5 years, it's been great. I've tilled at least 50 acres with this machine, (quite possibly double that), with no issues at all. Every spring I adjust the slip clutch and check the oil and away I go. It's a gear driven tiller. I have some wear on the tines, but I'm probably good for another 5 years before they get replaced. I've never broken a tine, but I've slipped the clutch and chewed up a fair number of flat stones. I rehabbed a cemetary a few years ago and hit a buried marble marker and split the stone, with no damage to the tiller.

sweettractors · Sep 4, 2004

That looks exactly like the "First Choice" RT-04 series.--Ken Sweet
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HayDR · Sep 5, 2004

According to JD specifications and comparing them to FC specs., JD is getting Sicma's heavier duty European ZLS series and First Choice is getting the lighter Sicma ZLL series. The JD has the heavier hitch, frame and tailgate than the FC RT-04 (ZLL) series. Only the JD681 is gear-driven but does have a heavier 60 HP gearbox than the, old soon to be discontinued, FC RT10 series. JD tillers are also packaged differently than the FC tillers to minimize rust problems. It looks like that JD standards are more demanding than FC's standards.

nomad · Sep 5, 2004

( I personally like the way that country (Italy) is supporting our efforts in the Global "War on Terror"--Ken Sweet )

Italians have made good money from "oil" throughout the history. Early 20th century, it was their first oil business (olive oil) in the US which they started their Mafia. Now, they are again in "War for Oil".

nomad · Sep 5, 2004

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CCM- Turkey
Fimaks- Turkey
Yurdusar- Turkey
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There is no tiller name known as CCM in Turkey. Is it a high quality tiller such as Hisarlar or Ekenler or Yuksel or what? Or, is this CCM tiller a Turkay Tarim tiller, a tiller among many other brands of the same quality with Yurdusar?

sweettractors · Sep 5, 2004

First Choice is getting the lighter Sicma ZLL series 

Definitily not the ZLL series. I have a couple of those in stock with Sicma branding and they are not the same tiller. Since you left the employment of First Choice, the A-Frames, and packaging upgrades have been put on the RT-04 series that I am receiving recently.--Ken Sweet

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HayDR · Sep 5, 2004

You have a "SA" series in stock, that you think is a ZLL. I can understand your confusion since you do not order Sicma tillers factory direct from the manufacturer. I go to Italy every year and have seen all these tillers with my own eyes. JD's specs. show weigh on average 50 Lbs more than the FC tillers. JD uses a heavier PTO shaft as well.
The ZLL pictured below is taken from the Sicma website

The RT04 pictured below is taken from Sweettractors.