Tiller Which 3PT tiller do you prefer?

sweettractors · Sep 5, 2004

I am not concerned even the JD681(81") tiller is 250 lbs lighter than the CCM 210. They have a 60 hp gearbox and CCM has 100 Hp gearbox. 

I undestand the reson that Belarus (Russia) and China and Turkey make casting thicker and heavier is to cover the imprefections in the material during the manufacturing process--JD and other Major manufacturers go in the oppisite direction because they use top quality input steel and spend more money on design. --Ken Sweet
Sweet Farm Equipment LLC *Used "Handy Hank" Antique Tobacco Primer $895*

nomad · Sep 5, 2004

( ... the reson that Belarus (Russia) and China and Turkey make casting thicker and heavier is to cover the imprefections in the material during the manufacturing process-- )

Technical info.
Most of gearboxes including tiller gearboxes are mostly grey cast iron or sometimes ductile cast iron. Steel cast is very rarely used in gearboxes. Grey cast iron is the cheapest, then steel cast comes. Ductile cast iron is the most expensive. Cast quality is the best in ductile cast iron. Then, grey cast iron comes. Casting steel is most problematic one. Anyway, all of these tiller gearboxes (and gearboxes of most of implements) are made of grey cast iron which is easy to cast and the cheapest. The gears inside are not cast; machined direct from the round standart materials. So, the quality of grey cast iron does not change from China to Italy to Turkey to USA. But the price changes. The cheapest cast is in China. Turkey cast iron price is twice more expansive than China. Italy's cast iron is 2-3 times more expansive than Turkey. By the way, the gears of CCM tillers (actually TURKAY TARIM tillers) are not made by TurkAy itself. Konya mfgs make it for TurkAy. Izmir, the city where they are located is more expansive city than Konya. Ps: People blowing here too much.

heehaw · Sep 5, 2004

the local dealer that is selling recond yanmar tractors, also sells recond yanmar tillers, 48 and 52 inch for about $550..
i plan on looking at them...will let you know what they "look" like.
heehaw

bam · Sep 5, 2004

I'm using a Wood's estate model on my BX23. I used it for the first time yesterday and was pretty pleased with it's performance. If I have any complaints, it would be the weight. I think a heavier tiller would be better. When hitting rock or large roots, the tiller bounces like crazy. I would think additional weight would help to counter that. Then again, it may be operator's error too! LOL

HayDR · Sep 5, 2004

Nomad,
I was worried about you because, we had not seen you posting lately. I thought you were maybe learning Spanish since you now have some South American customers. Even your Turkish countrymen have asked me where is Nomad? I am happy to see you are healthy and back on TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

kubota4greg · Sep 5, 2004

How are the Agri-Cutter attachments?
What brands should I stay away from?

Thank you,
Greg

p.s. I'm a new tractor owner and appreciate any info.

NATTYBUMPO · Sep 5, 2004

I just bot a Bush Hog TRS 62 tiller this spring (Italy mfg /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) Its a shear bolt model and despite hitting some pretty big roots, it just keeps on tilling. I'm happy with its ability to chop up and bury various "green manure" crops. The OM and tech support from BH are first rate too. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Natty B.

fractal · Sep 7, 2004

Dean

I have an ortolan L-100 tiller on the back of my kubota b7200hst. It is similar in power and size as your 7510. Their web site (www.ortolan.net) says they are the OEM for some american relabelers. The specs on the gearmore brand labeler are the same as the ortolan.

I can not compare the ortolan to any other 3 pt tillers. All I can tell you is it is a HUGE improvement over walk behind tillers. I find that the 39 inch L100 is rated for a 17-40 hp tractor and I do bog down my b7200 on our tough california clay. I believe a 48 inch, sufficient to cover the wheel width, would be too much for my motor.

The only thing I will restate that others have said is ... do get a slip clutch. You will be glad you did.

HayDR · Sep 7, 2004

Gearmore & Ortolan are the same tillers MFG by Ortolan.

Dargo · Sep 7, 2004

I did find a name on my "mystery" tiller. It is a Maschio. It seems very well built and relatively inexpensive. People have been talking about HP needed to turn a particular tiller, and I have to agree that most PTO tillers require a large amount of HP. I just traded my 84" Maschio tiller for a more reasonable 72" model. I've tried with three different tractors, and 50hp is not enough for an 84" tiller! You can turn it, but not at much depth and at an extremely slow ground speed. The 72" seems to be the largest tiller that a 50hp tractor can turn.