Which Tractor to Buy

   / Which Tractor to Buy #11  
Don, in order to comply with the Nebraska law to sell AG tractors over 40hp in that state, then you must submit your tractor to the independant testing site for testing. If you do not submit your tractor then by default you do not comply. If your tractor does not comply, then it is my understanding that it cannot be sold in the state. The Nebraska tests are considered the national standard and many companies and municiple bodies rely on the Nebraska tests and specify that only machines that pass are acceptable for their use.


Edit: It should probably be pointed out that the manufacturers who do comply have complied for many years. It should probably also be pointed out that for the manufacturers who do not comply I was not able to find any past evidence that they ever even submitted their 40hp+ tractors to be tested in at least several prior years. Nothing prevents them from submitting their tractors, it is their free choice to participate or not.

 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #12  
Is the Nebraska test data publicly available? If so, how does someone get this data?
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The Nebraska tests are considered the national standard and many companies and municiple bodies rely on the Nebraska tests and specify that only machines that pass are acceptable for their use.
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That is probably why i see town,(most towns) county and state crews only using NEW HOLLAND, AND JD UNITS
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #14  
MicroPilot . . . You can find SOME of the data by doing websearches in Google. The very specific data on each particular model is often hard to find, but I've often found summary data. As for the companies who participate, general descriptions about the tests, who is authorized to perform them, etc., all that stuff is on the internet.

The law was instituted many years ago because of complaints by farmers who were not getting what they claimed to have paid for or beleived that the data they were "sold" on by brands was possibly deceptive.

It is not much different than what we see today with companies who are now inflating their lift capacity of their 3pt hitches by posting ball end lift capacity rather than 24" behind ball ends, or by posting pivot point capacity on the FEL instead of the commonly accepted and more real life accurate 500mm in front of pivot point measurements. By using the measurements 24" behind the ball eyes or roughly 19" in front of the pivot point, you get a more accurate measurement of what the tractor is ACTUALLY capable of, but those numbers are typcially 30% to 40% BELOW the ball eye & pivot point numbers so the "marketing departments" don't seem to like using lower realistic numbers when some companies use what I believe are inflated unrealistic numbers. You may want to refer to this thread:Bucket capacity versus real capacity The thread is somewhat convoluted but gets to some intersting points at the end.


FrankF15 . . . that is probably true.
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( in Nebraska they have to be tested by an independant testing service )</font>
Bob
I think you should go back and check your sources. I think you will find they do not HAVE to be tested. It is voluntary and it does not restrict their sale to the general public in Nebraska or anywhere else by not being tested.


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( These companies do NOT meet the Nebraska requirements (last time I checked):
Branson
Century
Kioti
Kubota
Mahindra
Montana
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Again you may want to check you sources before telling people something does or does not meet the requirements. I think you will find in a number of the brands you mention that they just have not been tested.

Happy Tractoring
Chipperman /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #16  
Bob

If what you said was true, you would be telling me that all of the Kubota dealers listed in NE do not sell anything over 40hp?

Sorry, I don't think so.

Bob, There can be many legitimate reasons companies do not submit to testing.

Happy Tractoring
Chipperman /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #17  
Chipperman, please re-read my posts. As I read the wording I posted below, it clearly states that you need to obtain a permit to sell the tractor in the state, and that you need to warehouse parts in the state. You will also see, both in my earlier posts, and in the wording below, that this applies to AG tractors, I don't know if that is applied to non-agricultural tractors or not, but I specified AG tractors in my prior posts so I believe my prior posts were accurate. I do know that the law was changed to allow for more testing sites so the tests do not have to be performed in Nebraska, but do have to comply with the established standards and do have to be independantly tested by an approved testing center, that change occured in the mid-80's.

The fact of the matter is that many people, companies and govermental agencies rely on and trust only tractors that comply with the Nebraska tests and they clearly are the standard by which tractors have been judged.


Directly from the Univeristy of Nebraska's Nebraska Tractor Test Laboratory website: The State of Nebraska requires that any current tractor model sold in the state must have a performance test completed according to OECD Codes or ASAE/SAE Standards. Therefore, The Nebraska Tractor Test Laboratory carries out the necessary performance tests to allow tractors to be sold in the State of Nebraska.

The Law requires that the performance obtained under an official test shall meet or exceed the manufacturer's representations as to power, fuel, and any other ratings of the tractor model.

The University of Nebraska Tractor Test Laboratory is the official designated tractor testing station for the United Sates to carry out OECD tests. The OECD rules require that the a tractor be tested in the country of origin. The Nebraska Tractor Test Laboratory conducts OECD tests for US manufacturers who export tractors to other OECD countries.



As for why companies do not submit to testing . . . that is certainly open for debate. Kubota is very public about the fact that they will not submit, they say they test their tractors themselves. There have been articals about Kubota's refusal to participate, it is well documented from what I have been able to see. Some folks argue that that manufactureres have something to hide as if they knowingly make horespower claims that they cannot meet. In fact that is exactly one of the main reasons the law was enacted. Some companies probably cannot afford to have their tractors tested. Some companies are probably of such low volume that that it is an unjustifiable cost. Please go back and re-read the posts I made, you will see I did not play favorites, I just provided the lists. The lists are what I found. I did not say levy any value judgements as to WHY they may choose not to comply, I simply said they do not comply. However, if you buy from a company that DOES COMPLY then you are getting some sort of validation that your tractor will perform up to the claims of the manufacturer, or will be brought up to those claims. There are actually more companies that comply and more that do not, but they are not commonly talked about here on TBN so I didn't include them, I simply feel it didn't matter enough to most people to list brands that are essentially irrelevant.


Nebraska Tractor Tests:
Purpose of the Tests

Nebraska tractor tests are made to provide agricultural tractor users with unbiased information about tractor performance. The test data allows the user to make meaningful comparisons between tractors.

Nebraska Law and Testing

Provisions for testing tractors are made in the Nebraska Tractor Test law, first passed in 1919 and most recently changed in 1971. This law requires that a stock tractor of each agricultural model (new or used) of 20 or more horsepower offered for sale in Nebraska be tested. In addition, a permit for sale shall be obtained and a full supply of replacement parts be maintained within the state.

The Nebraska Department of Agriculture administers the Tractor Test Law. This department may issue temporary permits for sale if testing cannot be scheduled before a model is offered for sale.

Only one tractor of each model is tested. This tractor is chosen by the manufacturer and is certified as being a production tractor. This procedure ensures that the tractor is one of the better performing units. Random choice of a tractor is not required in order to keep tractor variations to a minimum. This helps to ensure that the results are comparable.

Some tractors do not meet the manufacturers' expectations. These tractors can be withdrawn from testing. A missing number in the sequence of test numbers indicates that a tractor was withdrawn and no test report was published.

Tractor Preparation for Performance Runs

When a tractor is received from the manufacturer, it is assigned a test number and inspected. This is to ensure that it is a standard model. Additional ballast may be added to the tractor as specified by the manufacturer. The static tire loads and inflation pressures must conform to SAE tire standards. No modifications that would void the warranty are allowed. The fuel used and the maintenance operations must all conform to the published information delivered with the tractor.

The engine crankcase is drained and refilled with a measured amount of new oil conforming to specifications in the operator's manual. The tractor is then limbered-up for three hours or more on drawbar work in accordance with the manufacturer's published recommendations. The manufacturer's representative is present to make appropriate decisions regarding mechanical adjustments.

Power Take-Off Performance
Maximum Power and Fuel Consumption

The manufacturer's representative makes carburetor, fuel pump, ignition and governor control settings which remain unchanged throughout all subsequent runs. The governor and the manually operated governor control lever are set to provide the high-idle speed specified by the manufacturer for maximum power. Maximum power is measured by connecting the power take-off to a dynamometer. The dynamometer load is then gradually increased until the engine is operating at the rated speed specified by the manufacturer for maximum power.

This test lasts two hours. If rated engine speed does not provide a standard PTO RPM (540 or 1000), an additional one hour test is made at the standard PTO speed.

Varying Power and Fuel Consumption

Six different power levels are used. They show corresponding fuel consumption rates and how the governor causes the engine to react to the following changes in dynamometer load: 85 percent of the dynamometer torque at maximum power; minimum dynamometer torque 1/2 of the 85 percent torque; maximum power, 1/4 and 3/4 of the 85 percent torque.

This test also lasts two hours with a 20 minute test time at each specified load. Since a tractor is generally subjected to varying loads, the average of the result in this test serve well for predicting the fuel consumption of a tractor in general use.

Drawbar Performance

All engine adjustments are the same as those used in the power take-off tests.

Power and Fuel Consumption

The drawbar power runs are made to show the effects of speed-control devices (engine, governor, automatic transmission, etc.) on horsepower, speed and fuel consumption. These runs are made around the entire test course, which has two 180 degree turns with a minimum radius of 50 feet. The drawbar pull is set at 4 different loads as follows: 1) as near to the pull at maximum power as possible and still have the tractor maintain rated engine speed on the straight sections of the test course (2 hours); 2) 75 percent of the pull at maximum power (10 hours); 3) 50 percent of the pull at maximum power (2 hours); 4) maintaining the same load and travel speed as in (3) by shifting to a higher gear and reducing the engine RPM (2 hours).
Maximum Power in Selected Gears

Maximum power is measured on straight, level sections of the test course. Some gears or travel speeds are omitted because of high slippage of the drive wheels or because travel speeds would exceed 10 MPH.

Drawbar data are obtained for all gears at rated engine speed that provide wheel slippage less than 15 percent and a travel speed less than 8 MPH. One gear slower than those above will be tested with the load reduced to give approximately 15 percent slip. The engine speed for this gear will be higher than the rated RPM. One gear over 8 MPH but less than 10 MPH will also be tested.

Lugging Ability

Travel speeds corresponding to drawbar pulls beyond the maximum power range are obtained to show the "lugging ability" of the tractor. The run starts with the pull at maximum power; then additional drawbar pull is applied to cause decreasing speeds. The run is ended by one of three conditions: 1) maximum pull is obtained, 2) the maximum slippage limit is reached, or 3) some other operating limit is reached.

Sound Measurement

Sound is recorded during each of the drawbar power and fuel consumption runs as the tractor travels on a straight section of the test course. The dB(A) sound level is obtained with the microphone located near the right ear of the operator. Bystander sound readings are taken with the microphone placed 25 feet from the line of travel of the tractor. An increase of 10 dB(A) will approximately double the loudness to the human ear.

Additional Tests

Tractors equipped with a front wheel drive that can be engaged or disengaged from the driver's seat may require additional drawbar tests. The usual drawbar tests are first run with the front wheel drive disengaged. Then, with the front wheel drive engaged, a maximum power and fuel consumption test of two hours is made. Several gears are selected for additional maximum power runs, one of which will result in about 15 percent slip. The power take-off of some of the large 4-wheel drive tractors does not transmit full engine power. A special test is run at full throttle and minimum throttle setting that allows the power take-off control system to maintain standard PTO speed. In addition, a varying PTO drive and fuel consumption test is made.

Test Information

Test information is published in two forms: a complete individual report is printed for each tractor tested, and a summary booklet, MP 37, Nebraska Tractor Data, is published annually for tractors on the market each January 1. Because it is pocket size, only a few key performance figures and specifications are given. Both publications are available from the Tractor Testing Laboratory, Department of Agricultural Engineering, Institute of Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of Nebraska-Lincoln 68583-0832.


I might also suggest you read the following:
The Test Code (ASAE S209.4 or SAE J708c) is published in the ASAE Yearbook and SAE Handbook. Provisions of the Law--Stated briefly, the Nebraska Tractor Test aw provides:
That a stock unit of each agricultural tractor model sold in Nebraska shall be tested and passed . . .
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #18  
I'm not in Nebraska, so I do not need that test. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


RedDog
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #19  
Well now. I'm just not going to submit my JohnJinmaNewDeereDongBotaKuBransonYanDaeDargoHolland tractor for testing! The farmers and landscape companies in my area have done all the testing for me over the last 30 years. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Which Tractor to Buy #20  
Bob
Thanks for setting the record straight. Sorry if I seemed to ruffle your feathers. It's a tough job but some one has to do it.
Happy Tractoring
Chipperman /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
PS: All joking aside thanks for donating all your thoughts and research to TBN
 

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