Why are people in Indianapolis going postal.

[rekees4300]

I thought Indiana had the Jake Laird law (red flag law). If the mother notified law enforcement, I wonder how things went with that?

The authorities had not deemed him subject to Indiana’s so-called red flag law even though they confiscated his shotgun a few months BEFORE he legally bought the 2 rifles used in the massacre.

FedEx gunman legally bought 2 rifles used in mass shooting just months after police seized shotgun from him, police say

 

[Sigarms]

Hey how about some good news for a change? In this shootout with a police officer the police officer prevails. Yes it all happens in a split second, but the perp (with felony warrants) starts shooting at the motorcycle officer and forces him off his motor, and runs to the motor and straddles it to get the cops AR-15. The cop drops him from distance with his handgun. Perp is dead, saving taxpayers lots of money. Cop is unhurt. Life is good.

Thank you. Needed that after watching the NM stop.

 

[YanmarFever]

Yup, I shot my TV sets back in 79 and haven't looked back yet.
Face book, what's that?

 

[Hay Dude]

Why in God's earth would you ask me such a stupid question?

That said, watching the video, it seems like what appears to be armed help got their pretty quick. I have other questions about the stop, but I won't ask out of respect for the fallen LEO.

That said, having questions, it seems there may more to the story that lead to this LEO's death (I honestly don't know).

Wife claims fallen New Mexico officer was led into ambush with no backup in lawsuit notice

The wife of fallen New Mexico State Police Officer Darian Jarrott claims he was led into a dangerous situation with no information or backup. A tort notice, the first step to filing a wrongful death lawsuit, was sent to the State of New Mexico on behalf of Gabriella Jarrott and her attorney said...

kfoxtv.com

What I found interesting about the article was two points...

1 - NMSP officials said Officer Jarrott was assisting Homeland Security Investigations on February 2 when he stopped a vehicle along Interstate 10 East near Deming, New Mexico.

2 - “Homeland Security agents asked Officer Jarrott to pull over a car, when they knew the occupant of the vehicle was a known violent felon with semi automatic weapons and large amount of drugs inside the vehicle, they did so without telling Officer Jarrott of any of this,” Bregman said.

There was a reason for the "stupid" question, it wasnt really directed at you, although it came off that way. Probably did seem stupid, because most people ARE stupid (not saying you are).

It was to illustrate to the stupid people out there who think most cops are racists and just there to hunt people of color, that IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY, TOO.
AND, it goes largely unreported.
Once we can get some “balanced” reporting, maybe people who think most cops are bad will start to see the light.
THEN, maybe we get a more sane, balanced view of what’s going on, people of color trust cops more and cops have equal trust of whites and minorities.
THAT would be progress.
However, with a dishonest mainstream “news” media, progress won’t happen.

 

[gsganzer]

Most studies show that household gun ownership has declined, with approximately 50% of households in 1977 to about 31% in 2014 having guns. Yet we have more mass killings. The minds of our kids has changed.

Here's a good article about violence in the media (published 2009) and it's potential effects on developing children. A telling statistic is that by the age of 18, the average American child will have seen 200,000 acts of violence through media. I can only hazard a guess that number has exploded since that article was written.

A quote from the article
"American media, in particular, tend to portray heroes using violence as a justified means of resolving conflict and prevailing over others. Television, movies, and music videos normalize carrying and using weapons and glamorize them as a source of personal power."

AAP Media Violence

 

[Sigarms]

There was a reason for the "stupid" question, it wasnt really directed at you, although it came off that way. Probably did seem stupid, because most people ARE stupid (not saying you are).

It was to illustrate to the stupid people out there who think most cops are racists and just there to hunt people of color, that IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY, TOO.
AND, it goes largely unreported.
Once we can get some “balanced” reporting, maybe people who think most cops are bad will start to see the light.
THEN, maybe we get a more sane, balanced view of what’s going on, people of color trust cops more and cops have equal trust of whites and minorities.
THAT would be progress.
However, with a dishonest mainstream “news” media, progress won’t happen.

Per that NM video, there is one video that shows what looks to be armed first responders with back packs or wearing Kevlar. They showed up what seemed like moments after the truck sped off, and the one call is calling "officer down" on a radio.

I read another report where Department of Homland officals were first on the downed officers scene.

So, if this state trooper was just asked to stop a vehicle without any warning on why he was being asked to stop this vehicle (if the officer was indeed asked to stop this vehicle) working with the homeland security office, do you think that the state troopers share a responsibility in this officers death?

Never worked in LE, but if the state police is working with another LE organization, would that other LE organization ask the officer outside of their organization to make a stop on a potentially dangerous person without letting the officer pulling over the subject know?

Reality is if I worked for the NM state police and homeland security didn't notify the officer of why he was pulling over the driver (if that is what happened), I'd be really pissed we lost a good man due to a lack of communication. Just using common sense, I can't see the officer knowing about the history of that piece of crap he pulled over, acting like he did during the stop.

I ask because I'm trying to use common sense.

As noted, not all LE's are bad, and most are probably good. One could argue that you should never run from the police, but by the same token, that dosen't always give you the right to shoot someone in the back. It's these kind of stories that make news sad to say.

 

[Sigarms]

Most studies show that household gun ownership has declined, with approximately 50% of households in 1977 to about 31% in 2014 having guns. Yet we have more mass killings. The minds of our kids has changed.

Here's a good article about violence in the media (published 2009) and it's potential effects on developing children. A telling statistic is that by the age of 18, the average American child will have seen 200,000 acts of violence through media. I can only hazard a guess that number has exploded since that article was written.

A quote from the article
"American media, in particular, tend to portray heroes using violence as a justified means of resolving conflict and prevailing over others. Television, movies, and music videos normalize carrying and using weapons and glamorize them as a source of personal power."

AAP Media Violence

Heck, I'm amazed at the language they let them get away with on TV now on prime time channels.

 

[k0ua]

It would seem to me as a former LEO that the officer in NM knew NOTHING about the man he pulled over. His demeaner in the way he talked to the perp indicated that.

 

[Sigarms]

It would seem to me as a former LEO that the officer in NM knew NOTHING about the man he pulled over. His demeaner in the way he talked to the perp indicated that.

Thank you, I was hoping you'd respond.

Have you ever heard of one LE organization use another LE organization to do a traffic stop and not inform the responding officer from the different LE organization on why / what he should be aware of?

To myself, common sense dictates that the responding officer have all the information about the subject prior to the traffic stop if he's being asked to pull someone over.

Again, what I found odd was how quick it seemed that "professional decked out people" showed up at the fallen officers side.

 

[Jstpssng]

Most studies show that household gun ownership has declined, with approximately 50% of households in 1977 to about 31% in 2014 having guns. Yet we have more mass killings. The minds of our kids has changed.

Here's a good article about violence in the media (published 2009) and it's potential effects on developing children. A telling statistic is that by the age of 18, the average American child will have seen 200,000 acts of violence through media. I can only hazard a guess that number has exploded since that article was written.

A quote from the article
"American media, in particular, tend to portray heroes using violence as a justified means of resolving conflict and prevailing over others. Television, movies, and music videos normalize carrying and using weapons and glamorize them as a source of personal power."

AAP Media Violence

Never mind television, have you seen/heard some of the video games? A woman I spent time with had her son and grandson living with her. As I visited, her son and a friend would play, while her toddler grandson played at their feet. The sound effects and graphics were unbelievably realistic. Perhaps that doesn’t have an impact on the father, but what about his kid who was just learning to talk?