Why is there no thread with actual pricing of say, different compact tractors

[RFB]

gemini5362,

I am not recommending that anyone else utilize those tools, and it is all performed "invisibly" so most people do not know what is occurring in the "background". I also said that all of my business is conducted in a cordial and professional manner; you are reading a tone into the words that is not present.


In terms of the time it takes, that service (like all service) also is purchased, so it simply involves paying the fee.

Most everyone carries a spare tire, and/or a fire extinguisher. Most folks carry fire insurance for their residence. These modalities are not because we intend to have flat tires or fires, but in the eventuality that we do.

Background investigations are de rigeur within the larger business world. Anyone applying for a six figure position or even a high five figure one is routinely subject to a background investigation. In the last thirty five years, I have not worked for one firm that did not require at least a background, and some required background, polygraph, and drug testing.

When one is planning to spend tens of thousands of dollars (please remember the context of what I said: "a large contract"), I consider it prudent to protect my investment.

My position regarding "research for a possibility of failure" is that if one fails to plan, then they are planning to fail.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Two points:

1) I buy everything I can at the big box stores for the lowest price.
I spent too many years paying 150% - 200% at smaller "private shops"
And got waited on by someone that did not have a clue about what they
are selling (Guns, bows, tools, building materials). When the product is
exactly the same (a 2008 model XYYZ compound bow) why would I go to
the small local shop and pay $750, when I can go to Bass Pro and pay
$475 ?? Either way I am going to have to "Re" set it up when I get home ?

2) Why do dealers REFUSE to give prices ??
Look on tractorhouse.com, these are specific tractors on their lot,
Why under price does it say "CALL" ?
I am buying a CUT this summer, and it aint from a dealer that wont list
a simple price !

Slack

 

[DavesTractor]

Two points:

2) Why do dealers REFUSE to give prices ??
Look on tractorhouse.com, these are specific tractors on their lot,
Why under price does it say "CALL" ?
I am buying a CUT this summer, and it aint from a dealer that wont list
a simple price !

Slack

Manufacturer co-op rules and dealer agreements dictate whether a price can be posted on the Internet. For Mahindra, we can post a price in a local paper for example, but not in a regional paper or on the Internet. So don't penalize a dealer for following the rules. Send an email and ask for a price list or ask for a specific price. If he won't respond to that, go elsewhere.

I never refuse to give a price, but I can't post them either. Also, this is a two-way street. When you ask for a price, tell the dealer your location. He'll need this for tax reasons, also for delivery. Tell them if you plan to pay or finance, or if you need to know both options. Details will get you a more accurate response.

 

[davitk]

Maybe I just got lucky. While visiting several dealerships this fall and looking for the perfect tractor I stumbled on one where the salesman took the time to let me demo his tractors, invited me to a Tree Farm expo where the machines were operating in real life, answered all my questions, and gave me competitive pricing without all the charades of the other dealers. Before ordering, I sent a small tractor to them to have repaired. He ushered it in and out of the shop and was fixed correctly. When I finally did order a tractor, it was delayed and he sent over a loaner upon my request, it arrived the next day. When my new tractor did arrive, it was perfect. Not a spot on her. The delivery driver went over operation and maintenance thoroughly, and left forgetting to pick up the check. I called the business office, they said "no problem, just put it in the mail". Maybe this was just luck and I over paid by a couple of hundred dollars. Maybe.





Probably not. They have earned and will keep my business.

 

[MACDABS]

davitk,
I hope you performed a background check on that dealer before you let them service yor tractor !

Macdabs

 

[Maka]

Yes, and you should have had an attorney retained and the docs prepped for litigation just in case. Don't forget find all his assets.

davitk,
I hope you performed a background check on that dealer before you let them service yor tractor !

Macdabs

 

[RFB]

I find it incredulous that someone would be dismayed by asset protection actions accomplished by a customer. After all, that model originated in the service industry, by mechanics, by laborers and in the construction trades.

It is a routine legal process that accompanies the signing of a service contract. It covers both real property and personal property. It is called a mechanics lien, construction lien, or laborer's lien. Dealers/business owners invented the model and it is ubiquitous.

Why should a customer be faulted for seeking at least equal levels of protection?

 

[gemini5362]

I find it incredulous that someone would be dismayed by asset protection actions accomplished by a customer. After all, that model originated in the service industry, by mechanics, by laborers and in the construction trades.

It is a routine legal process that accompanies the signing of a service contract. It covers both real property and personal property. It is called a mechanics lien, construction lien, or laborer's lien. Dealers/business owners invented the model and it is ubiquitous.

Why should a customer be faulted for seeking at least equal levels of protection?

I believe that you are not comparing apples to apples. I dont know too many service people that look at a customers assets before performing work for them. A mechanic lien etc is for work performed that was not paid for. Performance contracts if you are spending enough money to make it worth while to do that is not a bad idea. You usually see those in the building industry. I am not aware of anyone that checks for the assets of the company that they are hiring to do work. I do not know what you consider major contracts. I asked someone that routinely draws up contracts for millions of dollars they say that to look for someones assets in case they fail to perform is not a common occurance. I work as a realtor I know several people that have bought custom homes. No one that I knew went looking for the builders assets before signing the contract. Those are contracts that are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I agree that it is common for an employer to do background checks of potential hires. I have never had anyone perform an asset check on me when I was hired for jobs in the price range you are talking about. The majority of people that I know who have serious assets get them by not spending money needlessly. Paying someone to check the assets of someone they are hiring for a job to me seems a waste of funds. Maybe I misunderstood your post and by checking assets you mean a common credit check. Those are routine and most people I know just pay the monthly fee and check anyone the have a need to. That is different than doing a complete asset check.

 

[daTeacha]

My experience was like a lesson in tractor buying. When I finally decided -- sort of -- on what I wanted, I visited the most local dealer. This is the satellite store of a 3 store dealership. The guy who does sales at this store seemed disinterested in actually showing me the machine I wanted, but kept directing me toward a larger one even after I told him it wouldn't fit where I intended to park it.

I went to the next closest dealer. While I was out in the lot sitting on a tractor, a guy comes up and offers me the keys so I can drive it around. We spent about an hour talking about the thing. I told him I would be buying on A-plan, so his profit was zip. He didn't care, saying he would get a reduced price from CNH on his next order instead of a dealer profit or something along those lines. I told him the actual owner of the tractor would be my daughter, who lives 3 hours away, not me. He said he would need to tweak things for selling to an absentee owner, but he would take care of it. I told him I had an old Kubota to trade that the Mahindra dealer had offered $3K for in trade. I told him I could bring him the tractor or send him pics. He looked at the pics and gave me $4500 for it. I told him I wanted a grapple, choosing one from information I got here. He checked into it, ordered the grapple from Missouri, charged a very reasonable price for the grapple, valving, a set of rear remotes, conversion to a QA bucket, and then reduced the base price to install a set of Ag tires instead of the R4s that were on the machine on his lot. They called after the grapple and tires arrived and were installed, then to set up delivery of the tractor, the delivery guy went through the whole maintainence routine, making sure I saw every zerk and lube point on the thing.

Bottom line -- I acquired a new HST DX29 with Ag tires (upsize/rating option), QA bucket, Add-a-grapple, valve and rear remotes. He acquired a very used B7100. My wallet is lightened by about $400 a month for 3 years on the 0% deal in effect at the time. I paid about $14,500 for the package after trade-in. I had one problem with a blown O ring on the hydro pumpat about 30 hours. They gave me several rings, a gallon of Hytran ultra and another hat since I said I could fix it myself rather than have them come and do it under warranty.

Family owned store, same location for 3 generations and 40 years. Sales guy was one of 3 brothers who co-own it. Delivery guy was a son-in-law to one or another of them. The service/parts guy is part of the family, as are several of the techs. Do I think the dealer matters? Absolutely!

 

[RFB]

gemini5362,

"A mechanic lien etc is for work performed that was not paid for."

Correct, and the lien is promulgated "prior" to any work being done. The lien may never be invoked, but it is there in Damoclean fashion before wrench one or hammer one is activated.

I will not contend regarding the idea that "I have never had anyone perform an asset check on me when I was hired".

Nonetheless, those backgrounds can be conducted invisibly without the knowledge of the person in question. It is all information in public databases, and it is all performed in a completely legal fashion. It happens, you just never know it does. It is just one sea of knowledge that many people do not swim in, so it never occurs to them.

Like I said, in the past 35 years, I have not worked for one entity that did not require moderate to intense scrutiny of character, financial and other attributes. It is everyday normal for me, its just not common for some other folks.

I do not take offense at people who like the okey doke method of transaction, but it seems like my choice raises their ire.

 

[MossRoad]

VOTE HERE -- VOTE once--
IF you want product cheap
IF you want service only
If you want just product and we will tell you it is cheap---
If you want george W to give you a refund for cheap product ----

Haven't you ever heard of the "cheap, good, fast" triangle? It applies to everything. You can only pick two of the three.

If it is cheap and good, it won't be done fast.
If it is good and fast, it won't be done cheap.
If it is fast and cheap, it won't be done good(or well, depending on grammar).

 

[davitk]

Haven't you ever heard of the "cheap, good, fast" triangle? It applies to everything. You can only pick two of the three.

If it is cheap and good, it won't be done fast.
If it is good and fast, it won't be done cheap.
If it is fast and cheap, it won't be done good(or well, depending on grammar).

PRICE
SERVICE
QUALITY

is another way to look at it. If you get all three, somebody is losing their shirt.

 

[Fred Deere]

I know that some will react as if I just set their hair on fire, but here's my take.

I do not subscribe to the "oh there is much more to the purchase than the bottom line price. You are also buying a dealer".

In my best Marion Morrison voice, "not hardly".

I buy the best price, and I buy the best service, both as separate commodity's. If the location coincides, fine. If it does not, so be it.

When I am buying, I establish what I want and create my list with all options selected. I take it/email it to 4 dealers, with the proviso that they get one chance. Once all prices are in, if theirs is lowest, expect the sale. Otherwise there will be no further contact/revisit/haggling. Best price the first time

am not interested in a "personal relationship" with my tractor dealer any more than I want one with my car dealer or the guy who sells beans in a supermarket. If I wanted personal relationships, I'd join a country club.

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WELL SAID!!! A man after my own heart Buy the cheapest you can get, if you need service later go to any dealer you like. I also am not interested in a dealer relationship.

I bought my latest Chevy 4 wheel drive truck a hundred miles away because they had the best price. I had a transmission problem under warranty and I went to the dealer down the road from my house that wanted to much money for truck. No questions asked they did a bang up repair job under warranty. Who needs a relationship with a dealer!