Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas?

   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #11  
Re: Why is tractor\'s Diesel instead of gas?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Its funny though...as much as I enjoy my new tractor, I find myself missing that old Ford... )</font>

I can relate to that, my old ford 2 n was gas, and still was 6V system, seemed like it just about wanted to turn over, but always fired right up, gosh i miss the sound of that engine /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #12  
Re: Why is tractor\'s Diesel instead of gas?

From about.com:


Diesel fuel is a kind of gasoline refined from crude oil or petroleum. In oil refineries, crude oil is heated, and various hydrocarbon molecules are extracted to create fuel. Diesel is much heavier and oilier than gasoline and evaporates much more slowly. It's often referred to as "diesel oil" because of its consistency.

Diesel fuel has approximately 18% more energy per unit of volume than gasoline. It also takes less refining to make diesel. In addition, diesel engines are actually more efficient than gasoline engines. As a result, people with diesel engines enjoy better gas mileage.

On the negative side, diesel contains more particulates (particles of soot) than gasoline, which cause smog. And it goes without saying that diesel-friendly stations aren't nearly as common as those that pump ol' 87 octane.
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #13  
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If that is the case, makes me wonder why more cars aren't diesel.)</font>

A diesel is not normally run through a broad range of rpm, and particularly is not accelerated from low to high rpm at a high rate of speed. Tractors are normally run at a fairly constant rpm. The longer stroke gives good torque, but not a rapid change in rpm over a broad spectrum. A semi has several sets of gear ranges giving, I believe, the equivalent of something like 16 forward gear speeds. Listen to a semi taking off from a stop sometime. For only a couple of seconds you hear a slight increase of rpm, then the shift up and another slight rpm increase as it goes through the next gear, over and over as the truck builds momentum. It takes a loaded semi time to build up to cruising speed. Locomotives take even longer, though the diesel-electric propulsion system is far more efficient than changing gears.

Auto drivers need acceleration in quick bursts. A gas engine is able to wind out from low to high rpm over a broader spectrum and at a quicker rate than a diesel. I used to hate it when my diesel Volksie pickup had to enter freeway traffic; took forever to build up speed. Though I liked the mpg, there were many times I wished I was in a Porsche (or maybe Frank's F-15) and could put a few G-forces behind my rear & hit 60 mph in 6 or 7 seconds.

With its shorter stroke, a gas engine can run at higher rpm. The Rolls Royce Merlin engine used in the P51 Mustang is legendary as a high performance high rpm engine. Dragsters take this ability to race through a wide rpm range very quickly to an extreme with their exotic fuels.

Before big diesels came out for heavy equipment, gas engines just didn't have the high torque needed. The old Caterpillar earth movers often had one bulldozer in front to pull and another one came up behind to push, and they moved quite slowly. Today, while the paddlewheel blades make the physics of breaking the soil much better, the diesel rubber tire tractor on the front moves an earthmoving paddlewheel scraper along at a fast clip, with no booster in back.
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #14  
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If that is the case, makes me wonder why more cars aren't diesel. )</font>

I couldn't quote you a percentage, but when travelling overseas, it seems that a high percentage of the cars there are diesel. My guess is that with the new Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel, we will also see more diesel cars. But, there again, I've been wrong before. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #15  
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Big rigs have a large variety of tranny choices.

Auto's are real popular on Fire Engines. The four engines I had the opportunity to drive all had Allison Autos, 4spd. The Water Tender I drove had a 10spd manual. The 10 wheel dump I had opportunity to drive a couple times had a 9spd manual. I have friends that Drive other engines, and various big rigs. They vary from 4-12 spd, in manuals and auto's.

Gas engines can make big torque. To do it, they are just bigger than comparable diesels, and drink fuel like crazy.
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #16  
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Brent, I expect your old neighbor was right although the difference from 40 gallons of gas to only 16 gallons of diesel is a bigger difference than I would expect. I would have expected to drop from 40 gas down to 25 or 30 diesel. I never really timed or measured very closely, but when I was working with a neighbor cutting and baling hay, I think we used about 30 gallons of diesel a day in an old 85 hp Oliver. And he did most of the raking with a gasoline powered Farmall Super C, but I never paid much attention to how much it was using except to help him dump gas in it every once in awhile. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif He also had two Farmall Super Ms; one gas and one propane.
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #17  
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( He told me that with 12 hours in the field on a gas tractor that has around 60 hp, he will burn nearly 40 gallons of gas. )</font>

Wow.. 3 1/3 gallons per hour? What is he doing? running a steam engine and using the gas to heat the water?

Soundguy
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #18  
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I know that Cub cadet made a gasolene tractor at least up until a few years ago. I vaugely remember seeing one around 2000.. Also.. 'snapper' makes a hybred cat 0 tractor-thingy.. it's gas as well.

Soundguy
 
   / Why is tractor's Diesel instead of gas? #19  
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3 1/3 gallons wouldn't be totally uncommon on a bigger tractor, my dad's MF-135 while at normal operating rpm's and a bushhog would use 2-2 1/2 gallons per hour. That's a a 4-cyl. 40 hp tractor so I could see how a 60-70 hp tractor that was gas would do that.
 

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