Why Kioti?

   / Why Kioti? #11  
I don't get it: options are nothing but profit for OEMs and dealers.

Well, I can only look at the rear remote kit for my Kubota as but one example. It clearly took someone a chunk of time to work out the details and components, size the hoses, select all the fittings, and then make up instructions that covered cases with/without front loader, with/without backhoe, and so on (the instructions were complex and had several errors, which tells me they should have spent more time and considered other variations of the existing hydraulics setups). That all takes time and isn't free. They would have to know ahead of time that they could sell enough of those kits to cover the development/engineering/legal cost and then turn a profit. Part of that involves pricing the kits to make the math work but still be a compelling value to a customer.

Some of the mods people do here on TBN are probably too marginal to justify, though a third-party might have a better business model to pull it off (especially a lot of the small homegrown outfits who don't yet have a care/appreciation for overhead/development/engineering/legal costs).

The only experience I can relate directly is from my software business developing surveying/navigation apps for iPhone and iPad. I get a ton of customer feedback and feature requests. About 80% of them are good reasonable requests with broad appeal, and make it into the software. The other 20% are oddball requests that might be super important to that one person, but have very limited appeal (and may actually detract from or run counter to the intended use of the app). In most of those cases, I can tell with certainty that the feature only matters to that one person out of several hundred thousand customers.

It costs me anywhere from $500-$10,000 in developer time to implement new features, so I have to be sure that my time/budget is spent wisely, on stuff that will increase sales or bring in upgrade revenue. The oddball requests don't come anywhere close to making the cut. The kicker is that the people that request this stuff are almost eccentric in nature, with no understanding of that balance. They are universally unwilling to pay for the feature if I offer to do it as a custom app project for them (I don't even bother to offer anymore, since my time is too scarce now). So generally these are people looking for $10K of coding to make a $4 app meet their very specific needs. It just doesn't wash from my side of the fence.

I'll go back to your idea of a chainsaw holder -- I see a lot of those posted here on TBN, but not a single one of them would work for me. First, I usually need 2-3 saws with me for cutting projects, and second I haven't seen a chainsaw holder yet that would accommodate my big 77cc Stihl and 28" bar. I am sure each of the custom holders works great for the individual people who did their own mods, but as a manufacturer, I wouldn't see a universal solution with broad appeal that could likely sell in numbers to cover costs. I think many tractor mods fall into this category, and are better left as homegrown mods or small-business products.
 
   / Why Kioti?
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#12  
Well, I can only look at the rear remote kit for my Kubota as but one example. It clearly took someone a chunk of time to work out the details and components, size the hoses, select all the fittings, and then make up instructions that covered cases with/without front loader, with/without backhoe, and so on (the instructions were complex and had several errors, which tells me they should have spent more time and considered other variations of the existing hydraulics setups). That all takes time and isn't free. They would have to know ahead of time that they could sell enough of those kits to cover the development/engineering/legal cost and then turn a profit. Part of that involves pricing the kits to make the math work but still be a compelling value to a customer.

Some of the mods people do here on TBN are probably too marginal to justify, though a third-party might have a better business model to pull it off (especially a lot of the small homegrown outfits who don't yet have a care/appreciation for overhead/development/engineering/legal costs).

The only experience I can relate directly is from my software business developing surveying/navigation apps for iPhone and iPad. I get a ton of customer feedback and feature requests. About 80% of them are good reasonable requests with broad appeal, and make it into the software. The other 20% are oddball requests that might be super important to that one person, but have very limited appeal (and may actually detract from or run counter to the intended use of the app). In most of those cases, I can tell with certainty that the feature only matters to that one person out of several hundred thousand customers.

It costs me anywhere from $500-$10,000 in developer time to implement new features, so I have to be sure that my time/budget is spent wisely, on stuff that will increase sales or bring in upgrade revenue. The oddball requests don't come anywhere close to making the cut. The kicker is that the people that request this stuff are almost eccentric in nature, with no understanding of that balance. They are universally unwilling to pay for the feature if I offer to do it as a custom app project for them (I don't even bother to offer anymore, since my time is too scarce now). So generally these are people looking for $10K of coding to make a $4 app meet their very specific needs. It just doesn't wash from my side of the fence.

I'll go back to your idea of a chainsaw holder -- I see a lot of those posted here on TBN, but not a single one of them would work for me. First, I usually need 2-3 saws with me for cutting projects, and second I haven't seen a chainsaw holder yet that would accommodate my big 77cc Stihl and 28" bar. I am sure each of the custom holders works great for the individual people who did their own mods, but as a manufacturer, I wouldn't see a universal solution with broad appeal that could likely sell in numbers to cover costs. I think many tractor mods fall into this category, and are better left as homegrown mods or small-business products.

I get your pushback: but the idea is to offer universal options.

My chainsaw holder could have just as easily have been a chainsaw press that holds any size saw. I made a custom one for me because the saw I want hanging on my tractor is a 16" bar MS250.

A factory top and tilt kit is cheap to implement.

How about a toolbox available on every Kioti tractor. Deere has one toolbox and a bunch of different special mounts for every unique application.

Bringing the existing factory fenders and warning beacons available in other countries to USA should be relatively painless.

Belly armor is a universal fit.

Uprated steering guards would fit both the DX and the NX series since they appear to use the same guard.

I, know, I know: how about 1" pins on the rear three point instead of the oddly sized metric whatever size they offer now?

How about redesigned the rear fenders on the NX series so a standard Cat2 Quick Hitch fits between them without bashing the rear fender extensions?

How about offering an airseat option? Grammer already makes them and there are pins available in the fuse box for 12v fused power?
 
   / Why Kioti? #13  
I know I'm fixing to revamp my toolbox with a metal one and hang the slow moving triangle off of it. That little plastic box I have behind the seat now is tiny and the sign blocks access to boot.
 
   / Why Kioti? #14  
Ahhh, a real toolbox behind the seat.
Hear! Hear!

Replacement will be my 1st modification.
 
   / Why Kioti? #15  
I wish I could purchase skid plates/guards for the dk.
 
   / Why Kioti? #16  
Interesting Kioti comments (highly positive) by 4shorts. When Paul(4shorts) first came on the scene here at TBN he was seriously looking at the Kioti's.
 
   / Why Kioti? #17  
I find it funny he never said anything about the Green Tractors . No JD's in Canada ?
 
   / Why Kioti? #18  
As he stated, no JD near his location. You need to know Newfoundland geography to understand. Beautiful spot, not really densely populated.

Steve
Nova Scotia
 

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