Why mow in first gear? (tach says 540rpm 1st)

[Soundguy]

On my fathers Ford Jubilee he had a a combination gauge which had the tachometer and P.T.O., speed on the same dial and it worked fine for mowing, manure spreading, beet digging, feed grinding, silage making, hay baler and elevator operation etc., which is what the tractor was designed for anyway.

:thumbsup:

yep.. ford called that a proofmeter.

it kept a record of running hours, which was counted at pto speed I'm pretty sure, also listed ground speeds of all the gears based on the rpm you ran, assuming you had the standard option rubber, showed engine rpm, and showed you where to set the pto for proper operation... nice gauge! and only 55$ still for a repop.

today that takes a couple hundred dollar 'powered' digital cluster to do what unpowered ( no battery ) 'clockwork' did 60ys ago..

soundguy

 

[Reg]

Sure; Call 'em "educated opinions" if you want, or "guesses based on experience" (that may or may not be relevant) or some other combination/permutation of terms.
Some educated, some "informed", some not so much.
I did include the "with all due respect" clause and an emoticon.

Bottom line; he would STILL get better answers in the ZCB forum from owners of like models who have SEEN the markings on the tach and USED same/similar tractors for same purpose.

PART of the reason that I haven't remembered the EXACT markings on the tach is probably that they are in a translated form of English.

I know that they mean (MY translation and I am an owner of a similar tractor);
"This is the engine speed at which your PTO turns at 540 (or 1,000) RPM and IF you are in first gear THIS is your ground speed."
They do NOT mean;
"You must only use your PTO at this engine speed and be ONLY in first gear doing only this ground speed."

I don't regard the speculative comments about it being a ground driven PTO as being "educated" or "informed" those are way out guesses and misleading.

 

[Soundguy]

I don't regard the speculative comments about it being a ground driven PTO as being "educated" or "informed" those are way out guesses and misleading.

i don't reguard specualtion and discussion on various pto types as being misleading.

information is information.

as I stated in my messages.. I don't believe it is a ground speed pto. which by the way is super easy to check by looking over your shoulder...

soundguy

 

[EE_Bota]

Sure; Call 'em "educated opinions" if you want, or "guesses based on experience" (that may or may not be relevant) or some other combination/permutation of terms.
Some educated, some "informed", some not so much.
I did include the "with all due respect" clause and an emoticon.

Bottom line; he would STILL get better answers in the ZCB forum from owners of like models who have SEEN the markings on the tach and USED same/similar tractors for same purpose.

PART of the reason that I haven't remembered the EXACT markings on the tach is probably that they are in a translated form of English.

I know that they mean (MY translation and I am an owner of a similar tractor);
"This is the engine speed at which your PTO turns at 540 (or 1,000) RPM and IF you are in first gear THIS is your ground speed."
They do NOT mean;
"You must only use your PTO at this engine speed and be ONLY in first gear doing only this ground speed."

I don't regard the speculative comments about it being a ground driven PTO as being "educated" or "informed" those are way out guesses and misleading.

I brought up ground speed PTO. I am sorry I did. It was not helpful. I think if we review my comment, it is correct in every way, but NOT helpful. I know plenty about tractors, but I know NOTHING about that tractor. So, your comment could be directed straight at me. Here is what I thought when I read your comment:

"Exactly...he is confused about markings on HIS SPECIFIC tractor, and that forum would be the place to ask that."

So, I took no offense, zero, none.

Please, though, be merciful and let up on the uneducated part, and the guess part. If it gets out to the world at large that I am an uneducated boob, I may be fired, leaving me so much free time, I will have to fill it by answering questions in the Branson forum, and neither of us want that!

Since this is not that brand's forum, and he said he is a bit green, I was concerned for ANY reason it could be unwise to go out of first, and ground speed PTO without an overrunning clutch is the only one I could think of. I would not dream of going into the actual brand forum and saying that. Once YOU commented, I was relieved that someone knew the actual tractor. But, by the time you posted, I too knew the answer, since I scoured the web for all the information I could find on that model because I think we need to look after folks until they are well experienced with their machines.

 

[Snaker]

Nope just agreeing with you.
I set the throttle to rpm speed needed then use the transmission to travel at what ever rate of movement needed.
There was a time when no tach on tractors and still was able to farm using the sickle mower just by sound of the cutting.
Also when the power was driven by belt speed to a threasher. or a hammer mill just by the sound of the engine and how the driven machine was working. No tach,No computers, or No book of formula's and of course No air/conditioning.
Yesterday a neighbor took his tractor to be repaired because the a/c went out it was more important than getting the hay cut.
ken

Funny you mention that. I would guess that the majority of the old farm tractors saw multiple owners and most didn't include operator manuals. The hardcore brand lovers stuck with and knew their brand well but others, including my dad, picked up whatever looked like a good deal. Many times there were controls or adjustments that we finally figured out or were told about years after purchase (the old mans favorite saying was "leave the gd dm thing alone").

I was recently reading through some old tractor manuals. A John Deere B was supposed to run at 3/4 throttle for a normal load and full throttle was meant to be a power boost. Didn't know. Some Ford 2N, 8N, 9N tractors had a Economizer carburetor which would give good fuel economy throughout the throttle range but give a extra dose of fuel at wide open. Didn't know that. The Ford 8N had a three point draft control system. Never knew.

By the way, I have turn signals on my Yanmar and I can't stop playing with the darn things.

 

[leonz]

The one thing I will never understand is why they went from oil bath precleaners to paper cartridges. The tractor motor is actually a stable motor platform and the oil stayed in the bottom of the reservoir like it was supposed to and removed 95 percent or more of the contaminants.

When dad was mowing the old pasture the trash screen would load right up and then he always checked the oil bowl for junk when he cleaned off the chaff screen and you always new it was working because the oil in the bowl was black and you could see the dirt level in the bowl when you tipped it a little bit.


The oil bath air cleaner has gone the way of industrial hemp for paper use and of course the paper companies love that too. Perhaps its not to late to wake up..............................

 

[Soundguy]

I was recently reading through some old tractor manuals. A John Deere B was supposed to run at 3/4 throttle for a normal load and full throttle was meant to be a power boost. Didn't know. Some Ford 2N, 8N, 9N tractors had a Economizer carburetor which would give good fuel economy throughout the throttle range but give a extra dose of fuel at wide open. Didn't know that. The Ford 8N had a three point draft control system. Never knew.
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the tsx 33 ont he 9n / 2n had the economizer jet.

ALL ford tractors at least to 78 or so had draft control if they had 3pt. it was the 8n that first had position control.

soundguy

 

[kg7il]

I had to double check that I was still on the same thread.
If the tractor has a second PTO (mid) it would probably have a mark for 2nd on the tach.

 

[Reg]

I had to double check that I was still on the same thread.
If the tractor has a second PTO (mid) it would probably have a mark for 2nd on the tach.

Yes, it has a two speed PTO.
No, it is not a mid PTO.
It is another internal gear to the same rear ("regular") PTO shaft.
As I recall there is a short arc marked on the tach with the 540 engine speed marked at one end and the 1,000 engine speed marked at the other, they are close.
I don't remember whether the 540 or the 1,000 is the one requiring a slightly higher engine speed.
It is only there because the internal gearing to the two output speeds is not the precise ratio of 27:50 (relative to each other).

Again, there is no need for speculation HERE on what this tractor might have, there are owners of same/similar tractors in the ZCB forum who KNOW and/or can go to their barns to check details.
Mine isn't home, or I would have checked earlier.

 

[slowzuki]

Most tractors with multiple pto speeds have the engine rpm for each marked on the tach. Neighbours has it marked even though they don't have the optional pto speed. Mine has a switch you throw when the 1000 rpm shaft is in because it has a separate pto tach.