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   / Widow Maker? #31  
I've used the logging chain technique, suggested to me by an old farmer who lived on the adjacent farm, to wrap the trunk of a leaning tree. I was cutting white oak that were growing towards the light in his pasture, and they were leaning a lot. His suggestion worked, until the chain broke once (a big 24" white oak that split, then popped the chain which probably wasn't tight enough). After that, I took a safety logging course, they added the suggestion to make the back cut on leaners with a plunge cut, and I've used that technique ever since. But the chain is still a great idea and will keep the tree from splitting up the middle in a violent way.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Widow maker- A loose limb, top, piece of bark or anything loose in a tree that may fall on a logger.
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Now you know why I put a question mark on my subject. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Widow Maker? #33  
beenthere
thanks for the logging link....lots of usefull information there. I've done a bit of tree felling on my property without incident (touch wood), but I see I have much to learn. I have nothing but respect for the chainsaw and I never try anything adventurous when doing tree work. one question... I have never tried a plunge cut out of fear of kickback. is there a technique for avoiding contacting the tip of the bar in an area that will cause kickback? thanks
 
   / Widow Maker? #34  
<font color="blue">I have never tried a plunge cut out of fear of kickback. is there a technique for avoiding contacting the tip of the bar in an area that will cause kickback? thanks
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Get a professional to show you how to make a plunge cut. Using a chainsaw with low kickback chain will help a lot. Do not cut with the top 1/4 of the tip of the bar; this is the area that will cause kickback.

JT
 
   / Widow Maker? #35  
When making a plunge cut, it is tough to do with the anti-kickback chain, which is the primary reason that I don't use it. That chain is designed to prevent cutting when the chain goes around the tip of the bar, to limit kick back. The plunge-cut requires the chain to cut while going around the tip of the bar. A plunge cut is sending the tip of the bar straight into the wood. Now, that said, I believe the anti-kickback chain may cut very slowly when plunge cutting. For sure, you can't make this cut with the silly metal attachments on the tips of some bars. I don't think anyone can use a chainsaw seriously to cut wood with one of these pieces of metal on there. It is designed to protect the mfg. only. It likely is the first thing removed. But that is another subject.

I find that a chain that is moving at cutting speed will not cause kick-back. It is when the chain is slowing down, or moving slow, that making contact with the tip and wood will cause the bar to kick. I also find that there is more kick-back with smaller saws, meaning both smaller in bar length and in weight.

When I rev the saw to cutting speed, I just hold it firmly and start cutting straight into the tree. Most of my cutting is white and red oak, and I always keep the chain sharp. Have had no problem with the bar kicking back when doing it this way. I still am cognizant that it could, and don't handle the saw lightly, but firmly. Always plan on kickback, and keep body parts out of the path of a saw bar that might be kicking back. That includes overhead sawing of limbs as the saw bar could come back onto the shoulder (may take an ear when it goes by too). Don't do "one hand" sawing, such as is tempting when on a ladder, or when bending a limb to avoid pinching the bar. Both hands on the bars will resist a lot of kickback. A loosely held saw can kick back much easier. Protective gear is good. They sell hardhats, kevlar gloves, and kevlar shoulder pads in safety jackets. In addition to the chaps and shoes.
 
   / Widow Maker? #36  
Just to add a story of my own...

When I was about 13-14, myself and a buddy were in the woods where the ground was pretty swampy. We were having fun pushing over birch trees that were about 8 inches in diameter. Until I pushed one and it didnt budge, so I pushing and wiggled until it broke... but it broke about 25 feet up. And landed right on my friends head. At the time we didnt realize how lucky we were that the section that broke was VERY rotted and more splattered on his head. Probably still hurt, but didnt hurt him any more than the shock of it. Could have really hurt him if it was solid. To this day I always wonder where something is going when it is comnig from the top of a tree.

Ken H.
 
   / Widow Maker? #37  
Here's OSHA's way of doing things. Its setup as a guide. At the bottom of each page is a button to continue on to the next lesson/guide/tutorial on tree felling. It has more information then most of us need or even realized was needed. There's even a figure showing where most bodily injuries are inflicted during an average year. Lotsa pictures for us visual guys /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logging/userguide/scope_application/scope_application.html
 
   / Widow Maker? #38  
My wife just told me a story and I thought I'd relate it here.
After our latest storm Isabel rolled through, the wind weren't enough to totally dislodge many limbs that were broken. A 70yo neighbor of my mother-in-law had a limb up a oak tree near his house. He got on a 20' ladder and went up to cut it off. The limb fell and hit the ladder sending this man to the ground. He suffered several fractures and broke his pelvis. He required several weeks in the hospital and then was put in rehab. The wife called my MIL and asked how she could apply for Medicare for her husband without having to sell all their assets to be eligible? My MIL took care of my FIL with Alzheimer's for 4 years by herself, so this neighbor thought my MIL could advise her.

My MIL said she didn't go through Medicaid for the care and didn't know how to do it. A few days later after checking with other people, my MIL called the lady back to tell her what she had found out and she didn't get an answer, but left a message. After several days of calling and driving by the house, she saw that the paper and mail was building up. Then the next day she got a call from the lady's daughter to say she found her mother at the house dead after she shot her 2 cats and then herself.

Seems this lady was used to having the husband take care of everything around the house and she couldn't handle facing having to take care of everything plus her husband who still is at rehab. I have no idea how much money she was talking about, but it's an older house with a large lot in a prime commercial location.

So, what's the moral to this tragic story, well you can make your own. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

But for $100 at least 2 lives were ruined.

g
 

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