Eddie,
You've cited this NASA data more than once in this and other threads. I'd like to read the original where some NASA person says that the "polar ice caps are at 1970's levels and increasing", but all I come up with from NASA sites say the opposite, The only thing I found about increasing ice was about how there is of course new ice during the winter months, but that it is thinner and "saltier" than the previously lost long term ice. The second paragraph seems to be based on a really remarkable type of conspiracy theory, since my reading on the topic suggests that the great majority of scientists in fields concerned with the subject believe the data supports global warming, and the majority of those scientists also believe Man's activities are involved. These scientists are from countries around the world, and believing that somehow it is in their economic interest to lie suggests ..... I don't know....some kind of huge international conspiracy? They may be wrong, scientific knowledge increases in a rather jerky, sporadic manner, and there are numerous past errors that can be cited, but suggesting that all the evidence in support of their opinion is distortions and bad science is basically ridiculous.
Chuck
Chuck,
I'm unable to find anything that supports the ice caps being at or above the levels of the 1970's in a few google searches. I read the articles a short time ago, and it was all over the news for awhile. What happened to that information is beyond me to figure out. I was surprised at all the links that I found relating to the decrease in the ice caps.
If I come across it again, or something new comes up, I'll post it here. That is if the thread hasn't been closed by then. LOL
I consider myself a global warming skeptic. While I wont' argue that the planet has been warming up recently, it's also cooled. Every model and prediction by the alarmist has failed to predict the cooling or anything else. To assume that all the terrible things will happen because of these predictions is where I have my biggest complaint. I feel that those who are making the most noise about global warming and that we're doomed if we don't do something about it are the ones making the most money off of it. Al Gore is one of the planets biggest polluters, yet he's made over $100,000,000 personally from it since leaving office. Does he believe in what he says? I don't think so. He's done nothing personally in his life to cut down on energy use.
In citing scientist from around the world, you're really only talking about a few countries here. While NATO has a large list of those who signed on to the global warming threat, most are not in this field. There are also quite a few who have sued to have their names removed because they did not actually put them on the list. Others have since changed their minds and have asked to have their names removed. The list is constantly changing.
There is just as big a group of scientist who claim that the planet warms and cools because of the sun and not because of what man is doing on the planet. They don't get the publicity of the global warming scientists, but they have their meetings, write their papers and do a few interviews. You can choose to believe whatever side you want, but remember that those who claim man made global warming are getting all the funding, while those who do not support this are not getting anywhere near that kind of money.
I don't think it's a global conspiracy, but it is a global scam. I've read that it might be the biggest hoax of all time. I tend to believe this, but I don't know of all the hoaxes to compare to. This one is pretty big.
Since there is now so much evidence coming out against global warming, they are working on changing the name to climate change. Same people, same warnings, just a new name.
What is the ideal temperature of the planet that we want it to be? If they are to be believed, then what do we want to lower the planets temperature down to?
They tell us how bad the world will be when the planet warms just a few degrees on average. How the oceans will rise, the crops will fail and we'll run out of oil. Then ignore any possibility that there might be good things that happen with a warmer planet. This is scare mongering and another good example that proves they are in it just for the money. Nothing is absolute, and nothing is all bad. With bad weather, we get benefits too.
They have to lie and exaggerate to prove their point. In science, you don't change the facts to fit your view. You observe the facts and then make an opinion on what you have observed. Two recent lies that came out recently were the Siberia temperature readings. It came out that the readings for the fall were not being used, but instead, they were entering the summer readings. This of course raises the overall temperature, but with a lie. They claim that the polar bears are declining in numbers, yet of the 14 separate herds of polar bears in the world, only one has shown any decline at all, and the overall population has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
We could go on about the reliability of their readings and how those readings come from airports and how hundreds of stations have their equipment right next to their buildings or other sources of heat, but it really doesn't matter. The planet will heat and cool because of the sun. Nothing else matters or will make a difference. Global warming or climate change is just a way to make money for those in charge of it.
The planet has been allot warmer in the past and it wasn't caused by anything man did, so why believe that it's mans fault this time? The planet will get warmer and it will get colder. In time, we'll look back at this and either realize that we've been conned, or we'll get caught up in the next silly trend that the media latches onto. It's always something, and when it dies, it just sort of disappears and we move on to the next thing. The younger generations latch onto it and it becomes the big thing of their generation. At 43, I've seen it a happen a few times and now expect to see it happen a few more times.
Please keep in mind that global warming and climate change have nothing to do with a clean environment. The green movement is a disaster in what it's doing to the environment. Batteries, light bulbs, land development, throwing away stuff that works to manufacture replacements are causing more pollution then if this hoax never existed.
Eddie
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