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Robert, the "harvest' rentals in my area usually have only 50-100 hours on time on them, and have been used simply to haul wagons with harvested fruit in the them. Most come back with hardly a nick. By and large, the seasonal rental units seem to be good deals, especially since NH treats them as "new" when they are sold. In other words, they qualify for any and all financing options, and you get a full warranty.
 
   / wish list of CNH #12  
What type of price does NH charge for these units?

New Holland was trying to get my friend to switch from Deere to New Hollands. He has 400 acres of vineyard and fruit and vegetables. He buys a couple new vineyard tractors each year and has bought almost all Deere 5000 units.

Anyway, they gave him a TN85FA to use for a while in hopes he would like it better then the Deere units. Anyway, he returned it with around 100 hours and I looked at it and wanted to buy it but they wanted full price for it still. The dealer talked to the NH rep to see if there was any programs for this tractor but there isn't and the tractor was considered new and had the new price tag:(

I am curious if these lease returns are discounted any amount or if you get nailed full price still?
 
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Question, does NH even have their new line of tractors on their website? What is even worse is they have websites for all their dealers that are just as barren and lacking any information as their home site... I'm amazed, given the cost of the average tractor, the total lack of competitive drive towards sales and customer relations......I guess they are lazy knowing a tractor is a tractor..........If a car company did that, they wouldnt be in business long.


about harvest returns:
As explained to me by the JD and NH dealers....when the farmer rents he gets almost, if not, 100 percent credit toward purchase if rented for less than 6 months. Most cash them out and buy them for the balance. Im not sure who "owns" them if they end up back on the yard, I would assume its just like car dealers, the dealer is paying a float cost (finance charge) to keep the unit on the lot, and gets bonuses, incentives, hold backs, etc if they sell them fast. Probably the same is true with harvest rentals.

I have seen dealers TRY and sell for as much for the 100 or 200 hour unit as new but we all know its used. Most dealers will discount the units or put them back out on rental and I think it depends on how much money they are into the unit for....ie. if it was a short rental they still need to sell it for almost new, but if its got high hours, they would rather keep it and put it back out in rental then sell it......if that makes sense. The dealers don't want you to know about this........ they made about $800 a month, depending on the model, for whatever time it was out, so that should be deducted from the price. Most of the time its about half that, they want to profit on the rental, plus the sale.

When purchasing a rental unit; ask the dealer the particulars of who had it. Yes most are used just to pull fruit carts and in 3 months they can rack up 500 hours (which is then NOT really a rental return but a fully used unit). Normal returns have 100 hours or so......and honestly this use may be actually better in weeding out factory problems and its an easy breaking in.....pulling a fruit wagon is much less work on the unit than dragging a plow, running the FEL, pushing snow, etc. etc. When the rental units are returned they "should" be serviced, and prepped, and with the new unit warranty, its pretty safe.

Its hard to compare a rental harvest return with a privately owned unit. Some owners baby their machines, but others "learn" on them and the first 100 hours can be really rough, esp. if they have a loader. Most harvest returns don't use a loader, or remote valves if the unit has them; so they are used in dry weather, for usually one purpose, and the use is very light from operators that normally have used a tractor before. The downside is the operator normally doesn't own the tractor, so they may have a dent or two. Most dealers will fix any dents, and often replace a fender than fix it, and the units look new. I bought one that had 49 hours on it, with a hood that had a dent............the dealer replaced the hood, rather than fixing it, since most don't have a body shop..........new hood is easier.

Hope this helps.
 
   / wish list of CNH #14  
I think the websites NH provides for their dealers are designed for the dealers to keep updated. My NH dealer updates their NH site from time to time as far as what used tractors and equipment they have for sale.

As for the corporate site, some times they are slow to report new information. Other times they are right on the ball. I guess it all depends on how they feel in the morning.

We just don't have any leased units or harvest units locally here. They might up towards the finger lakes but so far I haven't heard of anyone leasing a tractor here for any purpose..
 
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As with most things in life, I suppose that timing has a lot to do with the discounts available on harvest rental return units. When I bought my TC45DA three years ago, my dealer had a large number of rental units to move (why the growers that rented them weren't buying them, I am not sure). He had a whole bunch of new units on the way too. As a result, he sold me a unit that barely had 100 hours on it for a discount from list that (I am sure) ran 10%-15% less than MSRP. Of course, I bought some goodies too (a loader, quick attach for the bucket, adjustable quick attach pallet forks, HD box blade and top and tilt), so he was making money on stuff other than the tractor.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the harvest rental programs in California are larger and more widespread than in other parts of the country. California is by far the biggest producer of fruits and nuts, and the harvest season for those commodities is rather short and intense.

For premium wine grapes, for example, the harvest window is incredibly short and unpredictable. When picking is indicated, it has to be initiated immediately, and completed within a matter of hours. Hence, for 6-8 weeks in September and October, growers need a lot of tractors standing by to facilitate the picking. For the rest of the year, the growers need far fewer machines (i.e., to spray, mow and disc). Once the dealer makes a few thousand or more on the machines, he can discount them for sale and make the same total profit as if he sold a new machine for full MSRP. If you don't mind that the machine has 100 hours on it, the whole deal is a "win/win" for the dealer and customer.

Of course, if you live in a part of the country where tractor use is more regular and evenly spaced out over the course of the year, then I can imagine that few, if any, dealers would even comtemplate a harvest rental program. Further, even in areas where harvest rental programs are common place, I can imagine that there will be years when dealers have no need or desire to discount the slightly used machines that they end up with, either because they don't have many of them (the growers have a big year and decide to stock up on new tractors) or because sales of new units are so good that slightly used ones can be peddled like new ones.
 
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Riddler said:
(why the growers that rented them weren't buying them, I am not sure). He had a whole bunch of new units on the way too. As a result, he sold me a unit that barely had 100 hours on it for a discount from list that (I am sure) ran 10%-15% less than MSRP. .

From what I understand it is better for them to lease and be able to deduct the entire cost as an expense at tax time than to have to lay out all that capital and only have the depreciation as a expense. They also don't have to manitain the rental units, the dealer does. The units in our area also only pull wagons and don't even have loaders or in many cases there 3 point hitches attached.

Andy
 
   / wish list of CNH #17  
NH has a few different programs that dealers can participate in, depending on thier needs and size.

They offer a "harvest lease" which has been referred to a few times in this thread. It is correct, the warranty clock is turned back as long as it is still under 250 hours, but the 2000 hr limit stays in effect regardless.
NH offers a upfront discount to put tractors into this program, but charges interest at a very high rate and they have minimum comittment levels in order to participate. It is up to the dealer to decide how much they pass on to the customer.

There is a Rental for sale program as well that allows a person to rent a unit while deciding whether they want to buy it. The warranty clock does click away while in this program and is not turned back. Again, it is up to the dealer to pass on how much of the rent is applied to the price.

Brian
 
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I wish that CNH will get a cab model class II to market shortly.
 

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