With great regret, The tractor must be sold.

   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #181  
It would be hard to part with a tractor... especially one that has become part of the family.

I would say it separates the men from the boys when a rational decision is made.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #182  
Being responsible for your own debt is so refreshing to hear.

Son was flipping channels and on one people were whining about their oppressive student loans and how they can’t make ends meet.

On the radio is an add about getting out of your credit card debt for pennies on the dollar. They say the credit card company tricks you into believing you have to pay the full amount. That commercial makes me sick.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #183  
On the radio is an add about getting out of your credit card debt for pennies on the dollar. They say the credit card company tricks you into believing you have to pay the full amount. That commercial makes me sick.

I have also heard that one.. The cc didn't trick you. you used their money, you need to pay them back. they didn't twist your arm and make you spend money you didn't have
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #184  
In property management I would hear the same... thing is if someone came to me with a job loss and asked for assistance we did... but nothing for those that dodged calls and I had to go looking for them...

I think the term being a Man of Your Word... which applies equally to Women.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #185  
My financial advisor explained it. Why would you pull money out of the market making very good returns, pay taxes on the money. When you can get a tractor loan for 2.5% ?

Why would I take money out of the market and not get tractor loan? Because the growth on my investments in the market are not guaranteed, but the money saved by not paying interest is a for sure thing. Plus the security of not having a payment.

Nothing is guaranteed, but so far the balance on the account I've been pulling money out of to make the tractor payment is increasing by close to double what I've taken out, maybe more.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #186  
I also have doubled down on stocks I owned... if it was a good deal at $20 a share why not at $10 or at $5?

Both instances I bought into companies that became worthless and delisted...

Well..... in 2008 I lost around 30% of our net worth, but kept it in the market, and kept buying shares. By 2010 I was back even, and by 2012 I was doubled. So.... if I'd have had $500,000 in the market in 2008, I would have had $1,000,000 in 2012. It was a period of gain that I have never matched again.

The one time that I tried the stock market was when a local paper mill (Verso) came out of bankruptcy and started selling again. I bought 10 stocks at around $12, more to support them than make money. When things quickly went south I panicked, cut my losses and sold for half what I had paid. Now they are going for $17.69, but it was a lesson well learned; I'm not a gambler. :D

I did buy 100 shares of Apple in 1981... it did go up and I sold... made a $1000 which was just enough to offset my losses...

I don't remember the year but Netflix was around $100 or so. They did something and tanked bad, dropped to around $50 amid calls for the CEO to resign. I toyed around with buying 100 shares or so, but didn't.

At the same time, Amazon was in the same $50-100 range and I passed on them also.


Where are they now?
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #187  
Netflix $310. Amazon $1745.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #188  
Netflix had a 7 to 1 share in 2015. Don’t just look at price. I own both Netflix and Amazon and both have been good investments for my retirement.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #189  
I think you made a very wise and mature choice. Knowing now what you do, your financial future should be bright. Value the pennies in a dollar, and you will go far in life. And kudos for grabbing those two tractors, your grandfather would be pleased. Allow me to say well done!
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #190  
Lots of good thoughts here - the one thing I would add is it's worth considering more than just the financial aspects of debt vs. being debt-free. While it's been alluded to there is the mental health aspect, but the part that seems to have been missed is the physical health costs from trying to do things on the cheap or manually. Sure not having that monthly payment might be low stress, but trashing your body in order to be debt free can quickly end up costing more (especially in the long run).

It's a lesson I've learned the hard way -- and seen other succumb to as well from trying to pinch pennies, or from pushing things beyond the limits in sports and/or physical labor/work. As a coworker quipped/quoted not that long ago: "At some point a person's health goals evolve into simply avoiding the need for aftermarket parts".

So being someone who had high school friends get aftermarket parts installed (prior to graduating high school), and has had doctor's identify joint problems (and some that have never been properly diagnosed) that can't be corrected .... I'd say there are some very important limits/considerations that should also be weighed against the desire to be debt free. ....and I'm saying that as someone who absolutely hates being in debt (or even owing anyone anything) as I'm also in my late 30's and have put my body through enough that I consciously chose to walk away from sports and weight training (both of which I greatly enjoyed) in order to increase the odds of being able to walk unassisted for the remainder of my life. It really wasn't fun being 18 and having to worry about whether my knees would actually support me when I stood up (thankfully in the years since I've mostly healed/recovered).

The other thing to consider is that in order to maintain a good credit rating generally requires actually using credit/debt. If I'm recalling correctly (it's been a few years) I've actually seen my credit rating go down before because I wasn't carrying "enough" debt to support the high credit rating I generally maintain (i.e. a FICO score that's routinely above 820).

Being debt free may feel great, but getting to the point where you realize you not only have a positive net worth/wealth, but are having financial institutions known to be very conservative/risk adverse routinely attempting to market/throw more money at you than you're willing to borrow is a truly AWESOME feeling (especially when you can also resist the temptation of taking the money they are offering without a second thought). :cool:

So personally, I'd say it comes down to having the wisdom to determine what is wanted vs. needed, weigh all the costs (which should include considering the costs avoided), and having the self-control/self-discipline to follow the decided upon coarse of action (and adjust if/when it becomes necessary to do so). On that note, my personal rule for acceptable debt usage has pretty much evolved to: a mortgage (traditional limits or less), plus one additional secured low/no interest loan (generally either a vehicle or required equipment), and using no more than 1/3 of a credit card's limit (with all balances being paid in full by the due date).

I may occasionally waver from that, but if I do it's to avoid other costs, or taking money from accounts that are earning more than I'll pay in interest costs -- granted that's not always the simplest thing to calculate/consider (even with a background in engineering and economics) so I don't do it often, and would imagine it's partially why Dave Ramsey pushes the debt-free concept as much as he does.

The other thing I've come to realize is that gaining/maintaining such self-control/self-discipline can also make so many other aspects of life so much easier and more enjoyable -- which in turn helps me focus my life on the things that actually matter.

On that note, best of wishes to everyone ...and as always the applicability of the above may vary depending on your personal situation.
 

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