Wood Retaining Walls

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I built a wall 4 ft high and 20 ft long about 15 years ago to make a level spot to build my shop/garage. I started with two vertical posts sunk it the ground and built the wall up against them, staggering the joints and spiking them together. It hasn't budged in 15 years. I can snap a photo of it if you are interested.
 
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Kip,

I can't really add to the excellent advice the other guys have given you already. But I can offer you another source for information. If you go to <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.lawnsite.com/>http://www.lawnsite.com/</A>, you'll find a discussion forum by landscapers. They have a discussion forum for homeowners to ask the professionals questions and advice. It's a lot like TBN, 'cept these guys get excited over lawnmowers and edgers and things /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif.
 
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You might want to consider hiring local engineering help for your project. In my area you can't build a retaining wall over 4 feet high without a Professional Engineer's stamp on the print. I have used the Town Engineer from the next town over for a project; very friendly and reasonable cost.
 
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Tony,

Please post a picture when you have time.

Thanks,

Kip
 
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All excellent advice here. Wished I had found this discussion earlier instead of having to search and ask around for a lot of advice and sounding dumb. The only thing I have to contribute is that I would definitely go with landscape timbers over railroad ties. I think after looking at the wall for a few years, you will probably regret using railroad ties and I think the pressure-treating process is a little kinder type of leaching over cresote. As to integrity and resistance to decay and weakening of timbers, I think there is a slight difference among the pressure treating process used in manufacturing. Seems in my area at least, most timber (and other lumber materials) that come from a lumber and building company seems to be of better quality than the mass market places like Home Depot or Lowes. just an opinion here.
I have built 4 of these type walls, one 5 feet, two 3 feet, and one 4 feet. I believe anytime you go over 4 feet, you need a permit, but in my area it's very slack on permits for outside projects. Just make sure you use dead men in staggered rows for every 3 feet, for example if you go four feet, the one row of dead men will be fine, but if you go over 4 i would advise another row with longer angled dead mean staggered. Most of time if you go over 4 feet, you need professional engineering help.

just some tips......make sure you have a good heavy duty 1/2 drill with Irwin Speedbore auger or spade bits to start your holes for reinforcing rods.
I used a recripicating saw with metal blades to cut desired length of rods
as someone suggested, tie together with 10-12" spikes
ground contact rebar should extend down at least 24"
landscape fabric or burlap placed on top of gravel before backfilling adds years to projects life
a handy little item that helped me in laying out courses is a Sight Level purchased at any hardware store. cost about $10..about 4 inches long and you just look through it until the bubble crosses the line inside. Line level works good too, just not as quickly to use.
a spade that is about 8 inches wide called a landscaper's spade helps with leveling ground for bottom course.
The oldest wall i've built is 7 years old in a very shady and wet area with a red clay bank. Looks just like the day it was built even though i forgot the drain holes or weep holes until two years later.
one note.....if you use a tractor in the project, just make sure when you're using the rear blade for leveling or scraping loose fill down for pre-installation of timbers, that you don't forget to get the darn thing out of the way when you go back and forward! I tore a wall down just by being in too big a hurry.
 
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kiphorn,

I'm going to ditto someone elses advice. Think about an engineer
if you have a lot of hight to cover. I know after a certain distance
you need the engineer. It might not be as expensive as you think either.
A coworker need an engineer to look into a problem he had with a house
he had a contract to purchase. To study the problem and design a
solution I think only cost him a couple of hundred dollars. You are going
to spend quite a bit of money on whatever material you use plus your
time. Might as well get it right the first time.

Beside code may require the engineer's design.

In case you dont know, pressure treated wood comes in different flavors.
There is a .20 and a .40 pressure treatment. I thinks there is a .60 or
there abouts as well. I think the .40 is .40 pounds of CCA per cubic foot
of wood. CCA is Chromate something or other Arsenic. I put a reference
on TBN, likely in the Rural discussion area, about the EPA banning CCA PT
wood in a few years for residential use.

You will want to use the .40 or better PT wood. I think the .60 was for use
in water applications like docks and such. I am lucky in that I have a local
PT company. He provides a much better product than the big box home
retailers.

I have read studies, they are all over the net if you look, that does not
have me that concerned about CCA leaching into the soil. It does but
it does not appear to migrate more than an inch or so. EPA is banning
CCA PT for no good reason for what I could see in their published paper.
A lot of ifs, maybe, could be, might type of language.

Hope this helps...
Dan
 
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I would not recommend the landscape timber product for a structural application. I am involved with the pressure treatment industry and know the production practices and standards. Although the landscape timbers are treated with CCA this particular commodity is not treated to any standard and is not inspected unlike most other treated wood products. Landscape timbers are peeler core left over from plywood veneer production. They contain a large percentage of untreatable heartwood and generally are not properly dried before treatment. This was a market that they were able to get some value out of the wood. Landscape timbers would be acceptable as a border around a garden or flowerbed but not much more. Use treated 4x4’s, 4x6’s, etc. treated to 0.4 pcf CCA.
 
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Sorry, my mistake and you're correct. When i used the term 'landscape timber' I was referring to pressure treated 6x6's...I didn't mean the thin rounded edge type used mostly for flower garden borders, etc. Thanks for clearing up.
 
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The retaining wall I built for my barn is made with Railroad ties for the wall and 6X6 treated poles for the support. The wall is 30 long and 10 high. Here is a pic of it from inside the barn.
Steve
 

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Here is another pic. They are not the greatest because I still don't have electric for lights.
Steve
 

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