Wood stove top fans (heat powered)

   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #111  
Heat is movement. Movement is heat. I’m always amazed when I see a flowing brook and it’s -25F.
That's because the brook was slightly over 32F.

I was amazed when my wife and I took a trip to go cross country skiing in Wisconsin many years ago and people were driving pickup trucks on a frozen over river to go ice fishing. I'll walk on frozen lakes with pretty good confidence. No way I'm walking on a frozen river.
 
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#112  
That's because the brook was slightly over 32F.

The only time I’ve walked on a frozen river was on the Raquette River, upstate NY, near the Canadian border. It had been cold and was so cold the beer in my jacket pocket froze. Course, back then it was probably 3.5% AV.

Yes, the water is near 32F flowing miles and hours through a -25F valley. It’s an invisible silent heat flow through. It’s an amazing amount of heat that is being generated even with the smallest streams. That heat is always being generated, 24hrs, 365 days/yr. So…that energy is always there being added to the earth? It originally came as sun and was converted to potential energy when it lifted water vapor to the top of the stream?
 
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   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #113  
The only time I’ve walked on a frozen river was on the Raquette River, upstate NY, near the Canadian border. It had been cold and was so cold the beer in my jacket pocket froze. Course, back then it was probably 3.5% AV.

Yes, the water is near 32F flowing miles and hours through a -25F valley. It’s an invisible silent heat flow through. It’s an amazing amount.
You ever go out early on a really snowy, calm morning just after sun up and see steam rising off of a creek or river like that? And the steam freezes to the tree and shrub branches? Man, that is a beautiful sight.
 
   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #114  
Heat is movement. Movement is heat. I’m always amazed when I see a flowing brook and it’s -25F.
Think about how many torches and gallons of fuel it would take to melt a block of ice the size of the stream, and that is how much energy the water molecules bouncing off each other are making.
Is this right? Seems huge.
Don't neglect to consider the heat of transformation.

Every water molecule that gives in to the seductive serenity of joining with others of it's kind in the rather less chaotic arrangement of water ice, had to relinquish considerable energy to do so. That free energy (heat) is taken up by the brothers and sisters that remain unbound, mobile and free to make way to the ocean!
 
   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #115  
The only time I’ve walked on a frozen river was on the Raquette River, upstate NY, near the Canadian border. It had been cold and was so cold the beer in my jacket pocket froze. Course, back then it was probably 3.5% AV.

Yes, the water is near 32F flowing miles and hours through a -25F valley. It’s an invisible silent heat flow through. It’s an amazing amount of heat that is being generated even with the smallest streams. That heat is always being generated, 24hrs, 365 days/yr. So…that energy is always there being added to the earth? It originally came as sun and was converted to potential energy when it lifted water vapor to the top of the stream?
There is no such thing as gravity, everything just sucks! ;-)
 
   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #116  
Radiant heat is infrared waves, not electromagnetic.

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I was expecting more from you than this, especially since you made such a big stink that you knew it all.
U r just not too bright i guess. Infrared waves ARE electromagnetic waves.
 
   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #117  
U r just not too bright i guess. Infrared waves ARE electromagnetic waves.
I've been called a lot of things, but not bright is not one of them.
 
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Don't neglect to consider the heat of transformation.

Every water molecule that gives in to the seductive serenity of joining with others of it's kind in the rather less chaotic arrangement of water ice, had to relinquish considerable energy to do so. That free energy (heat) is taken up by the brothers and sisters that remain unbound, mobile and free to make way to the ocean!

What I have a hard time wrapping my mind around, is where is that heat in the summer? Is the running water really that much warmer than still water.
 
   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #119  
What I have a hard time wrapping my mind around, is where is that heat in the summer? Is the running water really that much warmer than still water.
Recall that the earth below is an INFINITE heat source and sink, and runs pretty close to 50 degrees F ;-)

But to be "even more informative"......

Consider the formation of Water ice on the surface of any body of water. (let us exclude mechanical mixing just for this moment)

When water molecules cool, they move less, vibrate with a bit less amplitude then their warmer. more energetic brethren. and so take less space per molecule. As a group, when cooled, water becomes more dense, and so SINKS to the bottom of the "vessel" that contains it. River bed, Lake bed or ocean bed. All the same. All this sinking is CONVECTION.
As the water continues to cool, almost to the freezing temperature, a bit of magic occurrs. The arrangement of the two Hydrogen atoms SHIFT relative to the Oxygen atom, and the VERY COLD water suddenly get's BIGGER, Taking up more volume. The coldest water becomes LESS DENSE than the warmer water above it. This expanding process releases HEAT. The Heat of Transformation. So the critically cooled water floats UP to the surface. When two or more of these Very Cold , expanded water molecules come into contact, they can and will hook together in certain defined crystal structures. Remaining that way, and joined by others, SOLID water ice is formed. Ice is always formed from the waters that once were at the bottom most levels. The position change due to CONVECTION and a bit of black magic as pertains to heat energy exchange.

But in consideration of a flowing stream, or a river. the mechanical mixing, by the means of flow or tumbling over terrain etc., serves to keep the waters at differing temperatures from stratifying. Molecules that have given up their heat sufficiently to form ice, bump into water molecules that have an abundance of heat, enough to keep crystal ice from forming. It is entirely like a bunch of small children playing rough and tumble, long after they should be sleeping soundly. But note at the river's edges! The ice builds. Molecule by molecule . Some ice is heated and transforms again to liquid water, some critically cooled molecules collide and adhere, and so add to the solid ice.

The ice formed in the mist and sprays. The small floatsom of crystal clumpings, drifting at the surface, along with the eddy and flow of the stream. The clear ice sheets with feathered patterns growing in among the reeds. The small crystal collars around a protruding twig. Ever changing in size and structure. Now more, now less. Teasing the eye.

What a wonder.

And you might consider, IF water Ice did not have these characteristics. Lakes and streams would freeze from the bottom up. Never to thaw in temperate climates. Life, as we know, would be impossible.

It rains outside at this very moment. The land around had been an entire sheet of ice until the 50 degree air had melted things today. Still, the ground is frozen. the rain and melt will run to the frozen rivers. There will be flooding. The wood fire flickers through the glass front stove. Cheering away the damp and cold.

Oh Well.
 
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   / Wood stove top fans (heat powered) #120  
Well, after all the posts on what wood stoves heat is, does, reacts, moves and displaces, wood is the catalyst.

Put another log in for crying out loud.
 

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