Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning

   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #11  
First time I had to do a lot of galvanized welding. Was on the 3rd Lake floating bridge in Lake Washington. The pre-cast concrete panels had galvanized angle iron embedded in the ends. Placed a 1/4-inch thick galvanized flat bar over the angle iron and made lap joint welds.
Pier 69 downtown Seattle is an all galvanized steel dock.
Same with the Alaskan Ferry Terminal in Bellingham Washington.
 

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   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #12  
Respirators are what I do for a living so here is the straight scoop. The dose is the poison. The fumes from zinc (small metal particles that are vaporized when welding or torching it) will cause metal fume fever in too high a dose (no I don't know the actual dose for that). One quick whiff? Not likely going to cause anyone problems. Marinating in it all day? Ayup, that will be a problem.

Any time you are dealing with a nasty airborne hazard that you need to protect yourself from, there are 2 steps: 1. Eliminate the hazard 2. Personal protective equipment (PPE). In that order. You eliminate the hazard in this case through ventilation. As others have pointed out, a simple fan blowing the fumes away from you will do this. But the reality is that the wind is shifting (if outside) and you might move out of the fan area or block it at times, so considering the volume of torch work you are doing, you should also wear PPE. In the case of zinc fumes, a respirator with a NIOSH N95 rating (the lowest rating) or greater will do the trick. Any respirator that has that rating will be fine. There are respirators sold specifically as welding respirators, but you do not necessarily need one of them. The thing with welding fumes is that they plug up a filter very quickly, so welding-specific respirators are designed to have a surface that does not blind over with metal fumes as quickly as common masks so they last longer in this application. Important for day-in-day-out work, but not critical for an occasional use.

As for what type of mask, that is up to you. You can use the cheaper disposables just fine, and as long as you take a few moments to mold it to your face (most have a metal noseclip for this) and make sure it is well-sealed on your face it will be fine. If you have, or buy, a rubber facepiece, they are nicer to wear for a longer stretch and they are also a bit easier to ensure you have a good fit to your face. Then just buy the same brand filters for it, N95 or greater. More expensive, but can last for years depending on the type. You can get a box of 10 disposables at HD/etc for $15-20. A rubber facepiece will be $20-40 or more and you may need to buy filters separately. The other question you may have with a rubber mask is if you need the carbon cartridges for this. You do not. Those are for organic vapors (solvents like toluene, alcohol, MEK, paint thinner, etc) and are not needed for taking out zinc fumes, which are a particulate, not a gas/vapor.

Finally, metal fume fever is not typically something that is fatal or creates chronic problems. You feel like crap for a day or two, and your body clears it out, so it isn't the end of the world, but definitely worth some basic precautions to avoid it. So get a fan, do it outside, and wear at least an N95 mask of some sort, and you will be fine.

-Dave
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #13  
Relevant topic for me, as I've been welding some galvanized pipe lately. Only took a few minutes, and I've just stayed out of the fumes. I tryed to grind off the galvanized coating as much as I could.
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning
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Great Stuff guys. I really appreciate all the knowledge. Now a bit less scared of working with it, but understand the perils and solutions a lot better. Still, won't be my metal of choice.
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #15  
There's a lot of hype about zinc-fume poisoning, and while it's real, it's rarely severe. The only case I've heard of where someone died of it was a guy who decided to burn off galvanizing in furnace/forge, inside a poorly ventilated building, not wearing any respiratory protection. Further, the guy already had pretty bad COPD.

Unless you work in a cloud of zinc oxide fumes without respiratory protection (just a good fine-particle respirator will do), at worst you'll feel like you have the flu for a day. A single weld or torch-cut isn't likely to cause you problems, even if you skipped the fine-particle mask. Drinking a quart or two of milk is widely reported to be both protective and curative.
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #16  
An earlier key statement is "everybody reacts differently". I was a pipe fitter back before we had the emphasis on safety we have today. I was cutting and welding in a tight corner on a repair project (12" galv pipe) with little ventilation. Long story short I was severely poisoned. My wife had to come get me from work. Doctor said it will shortly wear off just drink milk. Was off work for 3 days, headache and vomiting and general malaise. Ever since if I even get close to zinc fumes it starts all over again. I avoid it with a passion.

Ron
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #17  
40 years ago the sheet metal company I worked for welded tons and tons of galvanized dust collection pipe
Each elbow alone consisted of over 50 feet of weld
I don't think any of us knew we got ill
I think we always blamed it on the night before
🙈🤓
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #18  
I've welded a lot of galvanized pipe together and if you breathe the fumes with no respirator you will have a sore throat the next day. I try to stay out of the fumes and grind the galvanized off if possible where the welds will be then paint it with galvanized paint afterwards.
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #19  
Respirators are what I do for a living so here is the straight scoop. The dose is the poison. The fumes from zinc (small metal particles that are vaporized when welding or torching it) will cause metal fume fever in too high a dose (no I don't know the actual dose for that). One quick whiff? Not likely going to cause anyone problems. Marinating in it all day? Ayup, that will be a problem.

Any time you are dealing with a nasty airborne hazard that you need to protect yourself from, there are 2 steps: 1. Eliminate the hazard 2. Personal protective equipment (PPE). In that order. You eliminate the hazard in this case through ventilation. As others have pointed out, a simple fan blowing the fumes away from you will do this. But the reality is that the wind is shifting (if outside) and you might move out of the fan area or block it at times, so considering the volume of torch work you are doing, you should also wear PPE. In the case of zinc fumes, a respirator with a NIOSH N95 rating (the lowest rating) or greater will do the trick. Any respirator that has that rating will be fine. There are respirators sold specifically as welding respirators, but you do not necessarily need one of them. The thing with welding fumes is that they plug up a filter very quickly, so welding-specific respirators are designed to have a surface that does not blind over with metal fumes as quickly as common masks so they last longer in this application. Important for day-in-day-out work, but not critical for an occasional use.

As for what type of mask, that is up to you. You can use the cheaper disposables just fine, and as long as you take a few moments to mold it to your face (most have a metal noseclip for this) and make sure it is well-sealed on your face it will be fine. If you have, or buy, a rubber facepiece, they are nicer to wear for a longer stretch and they are also a bit easier to ensure you have a good fit to your face. Then just buy the same brand filters for it, N95 or greater. More expensive, but can last for years depending on the type. You can get a box of 10 disposables at HD/etc for $15-20. A rubber facepiece will be $20-40 or more and you may need to buy filters separately. The other question you may have with a rubber mask is if you need the carbon cartridges for this. You do not. Those are for organic vapors (solvents like toluene, alcohol, MEK, paint thinner, etc) and are not needed for taking out zinc fumes, which are a particulate, not a gas/vapor.

Finally, metal fume fever is not typically something that is fatal or creates chronic problems. You feel like crap for a day or two, and your body clears it out, so it isn't the end of the world, but definitely worth some basic precautions to avoid it. So get a fan, do it outside, and wear at least an N95 mask of some sort, and you will be fine.

-Dave

Why mess with the disposables when you can get the real thing cheap today. Disposable masks just plain suck anyways. Look on amazon or eBay I forget which. You can get a good 3M 6000 rubber mask last I knew for under $20 and the extra filters of your choice for around $7 a set. Those are a really nice fitting mask you won't curse all the time with fogged up glasses like the cheapos. Once upon a time you couldn't lay hands on a good one without payin the industrial price but times changed.
 
   / Working with Galvanized metal / Zinc Poisoning #20  
Why mess with the disposables when you can get the real thing cheap today. Disposable masks just plain suck anyways. Look on amazon or eBay I forget which. You can get a good 3M 6000 rubber mask last I knew for under $20 and the extra filters of your choice for around $7 a set. Those are a really nice fitting mask you won't curse all the time with fogged up glasses like the cheapos. Once upon a time you couldn't lay hands on a good one without payin the industrial price but times changed.


I wore a respirator every day for more than a decade. And, off and on for more than 35 years.

I have used both disposable, and reusable types. As well as several different air supplied systems.

I prefer the disposables, and with proper fit, had no issues with leaking.

Amazon.com: 3M 7193 Paint Spray Resp. Large: Automotive
 
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