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TWINKLE_TOES · Sep 16, 2001

toddler,

A lot of folks that are faced with working this problem share your belief. I don't have aproblem with making their job easier either.

http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headline....html

Al

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toddler · Sep 16, 2001

cp1969,
I don't think a lot of people are teetering on supporting the US. I suspect a lot are teetering on whether or not to join a radial group that supports terrorism.

Twinkle_Toes,
This is from an article on cable net news http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7141717.html for the full story. It's only relevent in that it was woried about privacy at the superbowl and other places. The article was on security scanning technologies such as hand print checkers, iris scanners, and face recognition.


Part of the problem with biometrics is that it has come under intense scrutiny from privacy advocates,
including Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. The
American Civil Liberties Union blasted face-recognition technology at the Super Bowl, insisting it
created a "virtual lineup" of innocent Americans; Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey
dubbed it "snooperbowl."

Increased airport security could also become a thorny issue for flyers who must endure the nation's
overburdened air-traffic system. Some aviation experts say the cost of all the delayed and canceled
flights throughout the nation exceeds $5 billion a year. Already, more than 650 million passengers a
year pass through U.S. airports, and the figure is expected to jump more than 50 percent within a
decade, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

Asking delayed passengers to withstand more waiting so they can file through additional
checkpoints, finger scans or other devices could result in more "air rage"--a new phenomenon in
which weary fliers become violent after sustained delays or cancellations, some say.

But it's unclear how Tuesday's attacks--which could result in thousands of deaths and cost the
United States billions of dollars--could change the surveillance debate. Some experts say the horrific
attack could make Americans much more tolerant of "Big Brother" cameras--and of longer lines
through metal detectors or even finger and iris scanners at airports.

"People are always willing to give up liberties when they feel threatened," said Dr. Jeffrey Tiel,
associate professor of philosophy at Ashland University in Ashland, Ohio, an expert on military ethics
and terrorism. "If they think there's a chance they're going to be on a hijacked plane that gets crashed
into a building, there's no question that people would put up with more hassle at the airport." 

It's funny, I don't think the real delays at the airport, for me, have ever been security. It's always been flight delays. I think I'd welcome the change.

Todd

cowboydoc · Sep 16, 2001

cp,
Although we don't agree on indians /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif you can just double your post for my response to Todd. Well said!

Alan L. · Sep 16, 2001

The sad thing about all of this is in the supplying of arms to these terrorists. You can trace most of this hardware either to Russia or China, and it will continue. As we remove the kid gloves and start playing as dirty as our enemy, I would hope that we will gather information that will lead us to the supply lines and that we can begin to cut them off. No, they didn't use these weapons in this attack, but these are the weapons they use to remain at large, and to intimidate would be opponents of their extremism.

As for giving up some of our liberties, I think our very existence is in doubt. In is inevitable that one of these groups will use weapons of massive destruction in this country. We need to take steps that we would not ordinary take DURING THIS WAR, such as putting up with increased security and invasion of our privacy via wire taps, the biometrics or whatever it is, etc. Americans sacrificed in other wars, what with rationing of fuel and tires, the excess profits tax, etc. This is no different, but a different type of sacrifice is needed to match the times. We need to pull out all the stops and eliminate as much of these organizations as we can. Our grandchildren will thank us for it.

As for our over-reacting to communism, I don't think I get it. The communists are alive and well and hate our guts - make no mistake about it. The Russians and Chinese both will cut our balls out any chance they get.

Alan L., TX

Alan L. · Sep 16, 2001

Re: Kelvin--Know this

I only hope the American People will be patient. I appears there won't be any quick stikes and that this will be a long drawn out compaign. People are fired up now, but after a few days or weeks I'm afraid many will start saying "Bush is not doing anything".

Alan L., TX

PitbullMidwest · Sep 16, 2001

I'm not scared that encroachment into our right to privacy will lead to the loss of our freedoms.

Todd, gotta disagree this time.

Ben Franklin stated correctly that "Those who would sacrifice their rights to obtain freedom, deserve neither rights or freedom."

PitbullMidwest · Sep 16, 2001

Re: I ECHO your sentiments!

I misspoke, it said they could barely read or write.

Here's the link, read the last paragraph.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/...html

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glennmac · Sep 16, 2001

As if the question of the appropriate military response weren't difficult enough, there is another difficult but ignored issue.

There has been little informed debate in the media as to whether we should consider changing our Middle East foreign policy, as one component of a long term solution to abating anti-US terrorism. It may be that a few of the terrorists, likely including Bin Laden, are madmen, bent on destroying the US just because we exist. But I think 99.9% of the Arab hostility and terrorism arises from the fact that the US finances and arms Israel.

To change this foreign policy would be a wrenching decision for the US, but I think it should be intelligently debated.

bgott · Sep 17, 2001

Are you saying we should throw Israel to the wolves in exchange for our possible safety?

Phred · Sep 17, 2001

Sounds like giving into blackmail?
If we show that we will cave in to this kind of thing what do you think will be the method of choice for dealing with us?

If it worked the first time then it would logically work in the future.
Not a good precident to set.

Fred