Would you buy a vehicle that uses hydrogen?
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No. There is no place to fill it up around here.
I would rather have a crash safe electric vehicle that had a hundred mile range and cost less than $10,000. That way, I could charge it up and drive to work and back for two weeks between charges. I could keep my gas car for road trips and my gas hog van for hauling junk.
I would rather have a crash safe electric vehicle that had a hundred mile range and cost less than $10,000. That way, I could charge it up and drive to work and back for two weeks between charges. I could keep my gas car for road trips and my gas hog van for hauling junk.
That is what will kill H powered vehicles, infrastructure. Stop at nearly any major intersection and count the gas station signs you can see. Now think how much time/$$$ it will take to retrofit that installed base w/ H capabilities. While I think it is a great idea, they (here we go w/ THEY again! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) need to think past the vehicle and work on getting infrastructure in place to service/refuel these vehicles. I remember back in the mid 70's everyone around here was going to go to LPGas. But you could only fill up at a couple places. And on a cross country trip you had to find RV parks that MIGHT have a tank, but they were set up to service 5-10 gallon bottles for RVs, not lines of automotive traffic.
I drove a diesel p/u in college. I had to drive several miles to a truck stop (in Dallas/Ft. Worth) to get diesel. Thankfully diesel is more common today but it is the same deal w/ H, or biodiesel, or propane. If they(again with the mysterious THEY) design a car to run on Windex, you still need somewhere to fill it up.
Sorry, didn't mean to get a soapbox. But I think we may be attacking this from the wrong end.
I drove a diesel p/u in college. I had to drive several miles to a truck stop (in Dallas/Ft. Worth) to get diesel. Thankfully diesel is more common today but it is the same deal w/ H, or biodiesel, or propane. If they(again with the mysterious THEY) design a car to run on Windex, you still need somewhere to fill it up.
Sorry, didn't mean to get a soapbox. But I think we may be attacking this from the wrong end.
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I'll stick with my gas vehicles. Even at $3/gallon it's still a bargin for the amount of energy it creates.
MossRoad: With a 100-mile range, I'd have to charge it up each night -- if you are only 5 miles from work, you might as well ride a bicycle.
MossRoad: With a 100-mile range, I'd have to charge it up each night -- if you are only 5 miles from work, you might as well ride a bicycle.
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1. Consumers wont buy an H car unless there's a place to fill them up.
2. Manufacturers won't build an H car unless there's enough potential buyers.
3. There wont be a big enough market until consumers indicate they will buy one.
4. Return to Step 1.
2. Manufacturers won't build an H car unless there's enough potential buyers.
3. There wont be a big enough market until consumers indicate they will buy one.
4. Return to Step 1.
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<font color="blue"> might as well ride a bicycle. </font>
I would except for one little thing... a very bad neighborhood between here and there. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif No way around it, either. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I would except for one little thing... a very bad neighborhood between here and there. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif No way around it, either. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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NO! , can you say Hindenburg? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Egon
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Iceland has a Hydrogen fuel filling station.
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Price of gas here in Norway is 7,32 dollars pr gallon. You Americans are a spoiled lot!
If the price here drops to "just" seven everybody is happy. Sooner or later you will have to pay full price too!!!
With fuel prices still rising any cheaper option is considered.
If the price here drops to "just" seven everybody is happy. Sooner or later you will have to pay full price too!!!
With fuel prices still rising any cheaper option is considered.
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"Price of gas here in Norway is 7,32 dollars pr gallon."
There is a lot more tax on gas in Europe (and most the rest of the world) then there is in the USA. That accounts for most of the price differences...
There are immense technical and logistical problems for using Hydrogen as a fuel. Safe storage (in a vehicle) is one...although I think hydrogen is less explosive then gasoline.
If and when those problems are solved, I think hydrogen (the most common element in the universe) will be a viable fuel.
My opinion is...if we (as a country) dedicated our military budget and technical resources to the fuel/energy problems, we'd have hydrogen as a fuel within 10 years...or less. This is a technical opinion...not a political view.
There is a lot more tax on gas in Europe (and most the rest of the world) then there is in the USA. That accounts for most of the price differences...
There are immense technical and logistical problems for using Hydrogen as a fuel. Safe storage (in a vehicle) is one...although I think hydrogen is less explosive then gasoline.
If and when those problems are solved, I think hydrogen (the most common element in the universe) will be a viable fuel.
My opinion is...if we (as a country) dedicated our military budget and technical resources to the fuel/energy problems, we'd have hydrogen as a fuel within 10 years...or less. This is a technical opinion...not a political view.