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Ob1kubota said:
Kubota is so worried about new product development Japan won't take the time to even review this issue. Your disclaimer seems adequate and similar to other sites who use a manufacturers name in a web address. Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!

No but their lawyers will, its called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. Essentially you can not copy, photocopy or electronically copy any published works. So all manuals created by a corporation or an individual are copyrighted. If they (a corporation) want to they can create a world of hurt on an individual. This is no different that people downloading illegal music from a web site. Actually if TBN knows about this link through their site they too can be liable. In today's day and age you need to respect the author/ owner of any published works, books, photos, music, etc and pay for the material.

To read about it here is a link to the aforementioned.

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

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bialecki said:
No but their lawyers will, its called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. Essentially you can not copy, photocopy or electronically copy any published works. So all manuals created by a corporation or an individual are copyrighted. If they (a corporation) want to they can create a world of hurt on an individual. This is no different that people downloading illegal music from a web site. Actually if TBN knows about this link through their site they too can be liable. In today's day and age you need to respect the author/ owner of any published works, books, photos, music, etc and pay for the material.

To read about it here is a link to the aforementioned.

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

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You are correct when pertaining to digital documents which clearly print copyright notice within and or also use encryption, but Kubota and many other manufactures publish documents in digital and print formats which are not copyrighted and can be freely distributed. You can find the same documents for sale in both formats but typically the printed version is sold because of the service and since the digital is a simple download it is offered mostly free.

I have reviewed all of my Kubota and Land Pride manuals, none of which indicated any copyrights. So I would believe these documents in question are not copyright material and can be freely distributed.

As for the Digital Millennium Copyright Act found at that the following link:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_bills&docid=f:h2281enr.txt.pdf

This document covers the Circumvention of copyright protection systems and the exemptions as follows:
�(c) OTHER RIGHTS, ETC., NOT AFFECTED.?1) Nothing in this
section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to
copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.
�(2) Nothing in this section shall enlarge or diminish vicarious

�(d) EXEMPTION FOR NONPROFIT LIBRARIES, ARCHIVES, AND EDUCATIONAL
INSTITUTIONS.?1) A nonprofit library, archives, or educational
institution which gains access to a commercially exploited
copyrighted work solely in order to make a good faith determination
of whether to acquire a copy of that work for the sole purpose
of engaging in conduct permitted under this title shall not be
in violation of subsection

è�˜(3) FACTORS IN DETERMINING EXEMPTION.æ‚*n determining
whether a person qualifies for the exemption under paragraph
(2), the factors to be considered shall include
�(A) whether the information derived from the
research was disseminated, and if so, whether
it was disseminated in a manner reasonably calculated
to advance the state of knowledge or development of
encryption technology, versus whether it was disseminated
in a manner that facilitates infringement under this title
or a violation of applicable law other than this section,
including a violation of privacy or breach of security;
�(B) whether the person is engaged in a legitimate
course of study, is employed, or is appropriately trained
or experienced, in the field of encryption technology; and
�(C) whether the person provides the copyright owner
of the work to which the technological measure is applied
with notice of the findings and documentation of the
research, and the time when such notice is provided.
�(4) USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEANS FOR RESEARCH ACTIVITIES.
Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(2), it
is not a violation of that subsection for a person to
�(A) develop and employ technological means to circumvent
a technological measure for the sole purpose of
that person performing the acts of good faith encryption
research described in paragraph (2); and
�(B) provide the technological means to another person
with whom he or she is working collaboratively for the
purpose of conducting the acts of good faith encryption
research described in paragraph (2) or for the purpose
of having that other person verify his or her acts of good
faith encryption research described in paragraph (2).
 
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SamWalton said:
I have reviewed all of my Kubota and Land Pride manuals, none of which indicated any copyrights. So I would believe these documents in question are not copyright material and can be freely distributed.

I think the issue is not whether these parts catalogues are copyrighted or not, but whether they can be distributed for free. I think that as 'artworks' they are automatically copyrighted, but there's nothing on the manuals that says they can't be distributed freely. Kubota must know these manuals are already floating around but they don't say anything about it on their website other than the fact that they are 'available' from dealers (whatever that means). I got my first parts manuals free from a well known US Kubota tractor parts supplier. The engine parts manuals were simply downloaded from the website of a well known mower company that uses Kubota engines.

So does Kubota consider these pdf's to be saleable items or simply free aids for Kubota owners? (Similar to the way paint companies produce free color charts).

Service or repair manuals are a different story altogether. It's quite clear that they are written and published to 'sell'. I'm not interested in collecting those on kubotabooks.
 
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Alchemysa and SamWalton is ;) right, Bialecki, :mad: sorry, you're wrong !!!. Kubota don't care about the old models or grey market models. They are DO nothing for US. Their concerns are focused for the present. But.. there are an entire world who use these old models... You talk here about copyright.... FALSE approach...
But a lot of ..."folks" make money from these manuals. I think there is NOT ethically to make money from ....PAST....
So, in my opinion, we are a "community" who wants to share some free resources, to solve our problems in a free manner, because we have old KBT tractors in our farms...we "wear" old "suits" NOT "ARMANI"...
What so big deal....
I encourage Alchemysa, and all the members to upload free pdf files with their models. We want to use these resources to SOLVE our problems, NOT to make money.
Who wants to make money, CAN DO that, but not here. I think some "people" are concerned, because their costumers...will "fly away"...
That's the TALK...!!!:cool:
 
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As I said before, those pdf files are print outs from an old version of the parts catalog program that we use. There is a copyright in the EULA.

They are fine for reference, but I would not use them for anything serious. We get updates and changes to that information all the time, so much so that our current parts program has a live streaming feed back to Kubota to get the latest changes. No doubt much of whats in the pdf files is out of date. If your working on somthing and want screen prints of particular section all you need to do is ask you friendly Kubota dealer and we'll email/fax/hand it to you. No need to hoard old pdf files off the internet.
 
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lyon said:
Alchemysa and SamWalton is ;) right, Bialecki, :mad: sorry, you're wrong !!!. Kubota don't care about the old models or grey market models. They are DO nothing for US. Their concerns are focused for the present. But.. there are an entire world who use these old models... You talk here about copyright.... FALSE approach...
But a lot of ..."folks" make money from these manuals. I think there is NOT ethically to make money from ....PAST....
So, in my opinion, we are a "community" who wants to share some free resources, to solve our problems in a free manner, because we have old KBT tractors in our farms...we "wear" old "suits" NOT "ARMANI"...
What so big deal....
I encourage Alchemysa, and all the members to upload free pdf files with their models. We want to use these resources to SOLVE our problems, NOT to make money.
Who wants to make money, CAN DO that, but not here. I think some "people" are concerned, because their costumers...will "fly away"...
That's the TALK...!!!:cool:
lyon, I not trying to teach anyone about the copyright act, just referencing what is the law. Having taken legal classes on the subject matter, all I can say is we disagree. I doubt Kubota or anyone else will seek out an individual unless you are causing some harm to the company or individual. There is so much on this subject matter out there on the web that sites many cases. Today the publisher no longer needs to have the copyright symbol listed, however if they are going to take matters to court they then need to register the published works. It benifits anyone to continue to place the symbol on their works to make their case stronger. Many companies indeed allow individuals to freely download manuals for their personal use (its good customer service). The electronic material is not there for one to download and then publish to make money off of someone else's efforts.

Lastly, just because something is old, i.e., old tractor manual, doesn't mean that the company no longer cares if you copy it or not. I wonder where you got this information from?
 
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@Bialecki

Sorry for French man...

Des tracteurs Kubota usag駸, vendus originalement au Japon, sont aujourd'hui import駸 au Canada. Ces unit駸 du "march gris" n'騁aient pas con輹es pour la vente au Canada. Elles ont 騁 con輹es et fabriqu馥s pour le march japonais et elles sont aujourd'hui import馥s au Canada par des individus ou entit駸 non affili駸 Kubota, sans l'autorisation de Kubota.

Ces unit駸 du "march gris" sous plusieurs aspects, sont diff駻entes des tracteurs fabriqu駸 par Kubota pour le march canadien et vendus par Kubota Canada Lt馥. au Canada. Ces tracteurs ne sont ordinairement pas 駲uip駸 de l'important 駲uipement de s馗urit tel que la structure de protection ROPS, la ceinture de s馗urit? le garde de PdF, les d馗alques de s馗urit et le manuel de l'utilisateur. Ni Kubota Canada Lt馥., ni sa compagnie affili馥 Kubota Corporation d'Osaka au Japon, n'offrent les pi鐵es, le support de service ou de toute garantie, pour ces unit駸 du "march gris" au Canada. Kubota et/ou ses concessionnaires autoris駸, n'acceptent aucune responsabilit envers ces unit駸 du "march gris".

So, Bialecki, if you don't understand ..we are ..."marche gri"...it's obvious..you are an "office...man"...and we are "operators" !!!. We don't have benefits from grey kbt manuals!!! We just have problems with our tractors !!!!

Conclusion: Forget it !!!
 
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lyon said:
@Bialecki

Sorry for French man...

Des tracteurs Kubota usag駸, vendus originalement au Japon, sont aujourd'hui import駸 au Canada. Ces unit駸 du "march gris" n'騁aient pas con輹es pour la vente au Canada. Elles ont 騁 con輹es et fabriqu馥s pour le march japonais et elles sont aujourd'hui import馥s au Canada par des individus ou entit駸 non affili駸 Kubota, sans l'autorisation de Kubota.

Ces unit駸 du "march gris" sous plusieurs aspects, sont diff駻entes des tracteurs fabriqu駸 par Kubota pour le march canadien et vendus par Kubota Canada Lt馥. au Canada. Ces tracteurs ne sont ordinairement pas 駲uip駸 de l'important 駲uipement de s馗urit tel que la structure de protection ROPS, la ceinture de s馗urit? le garde de PdF, les d馗alques de s馗urit et le manuel de l'utilisateur. Ni Kubota Canada Lt馥., ni sa compagnie affili馥 Kubota Corporation d'Osaka au Japon, n'offrent les pi鐵es, le support de service ou de toute garantie, pour ces unit駸 du "march gris" au Canada. Kubota et/ou ses concessionnaires autoris駸, n'acceptent aucune responsabilit envers ces unit駸 du "march gris".

So, Bialecki, if you don't understand ..we are ..."marche gri"...it's obvious..you are an "office...man"...and we are "operators" !!!. We don't have benefits from grey kbt manuals!!! We just have problems with our tractors !!!!

Conclusion: Forget it !!!

A quick Google translation:

The Kubota tractors used , originally sold in Japan, are now imported in Canada. These unit "grey market" was not con have es for sale in Canada. They con es and manufactured | s for the Japanese market and are now imported | s in Canada by individuals or entities unaffiliated Kubota, without permission from Kubota.

These unit "grey market" in many respects, are different " entes tractors manufactured by Kubota for the Canadian market and sold by Kubota Canada Lt | . In Canada. These tractors are not usually uip the important uipement of s | urit-like structure ROPS protection, belt s |-urit? Custody of the PTO, re |-alques of s | urit-and the user manual. Neither Kubota Canada Lt | . Nor his company affiliated | Kubota Corporation of Osaka, Japan, the offer pi μ es, support service or any warranty for these unit "grey market" in Canada . Kubota and / or its authorized dealers , accept no responsibility for these unity "grey market".
 

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