Yanmar 2210 BD capable of pulling small baler? Like 315 new holland?

[RUMBLON]

Ok so to say I know little or nothing about ranching is an understatement but I have a question. I own a working 2210BD for doing light work around my place on 175 acres, digging post holes, landscaping ect

I own no implements except my post hole digger. It's tax time and I need to learn to make this property work for me. I lease a lot of my pasture (it's rolling hills of intermediate wheat grass) a few weeks a year to a cattle rancher in trade for cross fencing, but I have maybe 30 acres in the lower portion that's not being used. I watch my grass grow each season (I have been here less than two years)- and then watch my grass turn brown and it's going to waste.

Ok so I am looking at a cheap swather and would need a baler

I see cheap balers like this one on Craigslist it's a new holland 315. However I don't know if my little Yanmar is capable of pulling this or if it's the same PTO ect?

Any ideas? Or will I just need bigger equipment?

Rumblon

 

[clemsonfor]

i would think the PTO would hook up but i would question wether the 22 PTO horsepower of your tractor could pull it?

Think this was discussed here before. I think a guy in europe bails with his Yanmar not sure what it was. He was the guy that built the crazy 1500 i think with the huge tires on it and it may of been like a 186 or american model?? I think his name was like verticalmax or something? In a picture he had a bailer on it and when questioned i think he said that was for the pic but he did pull a small bailer with it but not that one?

I would look up the specs on the bailers that you see or interest you and see how much they weigh and the minimum horsepower that they require and then go from there. You could operate it on the fringe or just under but that may effect performance or speed of the process which i know is not your biggest concern here.

 

[pmsmechanic]

I have baled with my tractor (28 pto hp) and a medium New Holland small square baler and it worked great so I don't see you having issues with a small baler.

My biggest concern would be how steep is the road going to the lower portion of your property. If the tractor isn't large enough to control the baler as you are transporting it down hill you could have a wreak. One way around that would be to transport it to the lower property with a 4x4 pickup and then hooking your tractor on to do the baling. Of course if the pathway to the lower portion isn't very steep then I'm saying all this for nothing.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The REAL question is, will the "pto drive line" in that Yanmar take the abuse of a baler hooked to it???

IF it was mine, I wouldn't do it...

SR

 

[flusher]

YOu need a tractor with a 2-stage clutch and a baler that has both a slip clutch and an overrunning clutch (aka sprag clutch). My Massey Ferguson 124 baler is similar to that NH315 and had both clutches built together as a unit.

Getting a baler spinning is not difficult even with a small tractor like your Yanmar. Getting the baler stopped is where the problems can occur if you don't have a way to disconnect the baler from the pto drive shaft while the flywheel spins down.

My neighbor tried to run an IH 37 wire baler with his Ford 8N and corkscrewed the pto shaft in the transmission while shutting down the baler.

Also, small, lightweight tractors like your Yanmar will be jerked around quite a bit by the back and forth motion of the baler's plunger.

Good luck.

 

[bmaverick]

Ok so to say I know little or nothing about ranching is an understatement but I have a question. I own a working 2210BD for doing light work around my place on 175 acres, digging post holes, landscaping ect

I own no implements except my post hole digger. It's tax time and I need to learn to make this property work for me. I lease a lot of my pasture (it's rolling hills of intermediate wheat grass) a few weeks a year to a cattle rancher in trade for cross fencing, but I have maybe 30 acres in the lower portion that's not being used. I watch my grass grow each season (I have been here less than two years)- and then watch my grass turn brown and it's going to waste.

Ok so I am looking at a cheap swather and would need a baler

I see cheap balers like this one on Craigslist it's a new holland 315. However I don't know if my little Yanmar is capable of pulling this or if it's the same PTO ect?

Any ideas? Or will I just need bigger equipment?

Rumblon

Before getting my Yanmar, I looked at baler requirements. The New Holland Super 66 or 67 or 68 or 69 square balers can be used with the YM2610 3-cly 3T80 engine and upward.

The New Holland 315 square baler requires 40Hp PTO. That's outside even my Yanmar range.

The JD-214 would bang your smaller tractor around way too much. It would rattle mine.

M-F/Hesson now makes two square balers for CUT tractors, but the price is steep. More than what our tractors are worth put together.

The old Allis-Chalmers square balers would do well, but A-C is no more, and getting parts is harder than getting Yanmar parts for gray tractors.

You can cut and rake/tedder with your machine, but baling would be very hard or not possible.

If you do find a baler, make sure it's lubed up, reduce the friction in the mechanical parts, inflate the tires to the allowable maximum and give it a test try.

I'll have to visit this thread later as the specs are on my other computer for balers.

 

[bmaverick]

YOu need a tractor with a 2-stage clutch and a baler that has both a slip clutch and an overrunning clutch (aka sprag clutch). My Massey Ferguson 124 baler is similar to that NH315 and had both clutches built together as a unit.

Getting a baler spinning is not difficult even with a small tractor like your Yanmar. Getting the baler stopped is where the problems can occur if you don't have a way to disconnect the baler from the pto drive shaft while the flywheel spins down.

My neighbor tried to run an IH 37 wire baler with his Ford 8N and corkscrewed the pto shaft in the transmission while shutting down the baler.

Also, small, lightweight tractors like your Yanmar will be jerked around quite a bit by the back and forth motion of the baler's plunger.

Good luck.

I too would concur with the PTO clutches. The overrun would be a MUST HAVE. Hoye, Fredricks and LMTC carry these for the Yanmars. TSC has one, but it longer and smaller (Not robust enough in my book).

 

[California]

You need a tractor with a 2-stage clutch and a baler that has both a slip clutch and an overrunning clutch (aka sprag clutch).

I agree the latter two are essential, but I think the 2210's Powershift serves the function of the two stage clutch. This is designed so you let out the clutch and have a direct mechanical drive to the pto, but the tractor won't move until you shift the dashboard shifter from N to 1.

Powershift is designed so this is a soft shift same as an automotive A/T, except after the bands engage it is direct drive - there's no torque converter ahead of the transmission.

I assume this is designed to get the Yanmar tiller spinning (lots of inertia to overcome) before you put it in 'Drive', start moving, and lower the tiller into the ground. This feature works well on my YM186D; I can get the a tiller or mower spinning and start off about as well as using the same implements on my larger manual transmission YM2000 that those implements were intended for.

Again, it would be insane to have a high-inertia implement without an overrun clutch.

 

[bmaverick]

I agree the latter two are essential, but I think the 2210's Powershift serves the function of the two stage clutch. This is designed so you let out the clutch and have a direct mechanical drive to the pto, but the tractor won't move until you shift the dashboard shifter from N to 1.

Powershift is designed so this is a soft shift same as an automotive A/T, except after the bands engage it is direct drive - there's no torque converter ahead of the transmission.

I assume this is designed to get the Yanmar tiller spinning (lots of inertia to overcome) before you put it in 'Drive', start moving, and lower the tiller into the ground. This feature works well on my YM186D; I can get the a tiller or mower spinning and start off about as well as using the same implements on my larger manual transmission YM2000 that those implements were intended for.

Again, it would be insane to have a high-inertia implement without an overrun clutch.

Ah, that would make much sense as my YM2610 has the PowerShift. I can place the PowerShift into it's neutral position and the overrun-clutch will do it's job to wind down the RPMs. SWEET.

 

[pmsmechanic]

I too would concur with the PTO clutches. The overrun would be a MUST HAVE. Hoye, Fredricks and LMTC carry these for the Yanmars. TSC has one, but it longer and smaller (Not robust enough in my book).

I could be wrong but all the New Holland balers I've baled with have an over running clutch in the flywheel area. There is no need to buy a separate one.