Yanmar 240 What is This?

   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #11  
It is one of the hydraulic pumps. At least that's on my 240D what it is. Not that I want to burden you with teaching rScotty but I would be interested in knowing the difference in O rings between OEM and a USA replacement. If would never have occurred to me there would be one. Thanks but again, only if you have time and feel inclined to explain.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #12  
Hmm....Which pump do you think it is? Engine oil or hydraulic fluid?


The difference in O rings is not a matter of quality or technology, it's a matter of the different manufacturng standards in place for making something as simple as an O ring.
There are two basic standards. One standard is for METRIC O rings and another for the USA O rings in the inch system.
Both of them offer a huge selection of O rings. But they differ in their emphasis. To get an idea of just how large this O ring world is, take a look at:

McMaster-Carr
McMaster-Carr

The simple way to look at the problem between the two standards is that the METRIC standard allows for smaller increments in size, so a lot of times you simply cannot find a USA standard O ring that is a direct replacement. And sometimes close enough is good enough to not be a problem until the O ring encounters hot oil and high pressure.

Because it's not just a difference is not just in how they are measured. Remember that these O rings run in hot oil. Old mechanics will remember opening up machinery and finding O rings that had disintegrated under heat and pressure. It used to be a big problem.

The METRIC system took up the challenge by specifying a wider range of materials, elasticity (durometer), torsional strength, compressibility, and chemical compatability, as well as more temperature ranges. The METRIC world has whole separate standards specifically for aerospace and many other special applications. For special applications the USA O rings also offer different O ring materials, but not as many types, whereas the metric varies both material and tolerances within the material types they offer. Another way to say the same thing is that the metric O ring industry is very mature in the selection of sizes, tolerances, and materials. They make a hugely wider range of O rings available to the designer.
The USA O ring industry has focused more on special geometric design. That is where the US industry is argueably more mature. You saw some of that displayed as you looked through the McMaster web site above.

So when a mechanical designer in a metric based country like Japan sits down to design something like your YM240 pump, he can open up an O ring catalogue and pick a metric O ring that does just exactly what he wants. And since the Japanese O ring industry is mature and most of the world is metric, he knows he isn't going to have a problem with sourcing the exact O ring he wants to use. He is happy, his boss is happy, and neither one of them probably bothers to check if there is an exact cross reference to the USA O ring standard. Or if there is, if that O ring material is going to be able to stand up to synthetic oils and exotic additives.

Sometimes yes, sometimes not. But you are better off using an OEM O ring is you can find it. Gaskets are more forgiving.
rScotty
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This?
  • Thread Starter
#13  
The cover with the 2 allen bolts are leaking. it is the part above front axel that is painted Gloss black with the paint coming off and some kind of rubber round boot on the bottom.View attachment 683343View attachment 683344

It looks like it going to be a tough one. All aftermarket pumps switch over to a different cover with 4 bolts.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #14  
It looks like it going to be a tough one. All aftermarket pumps switch over to a different cover with 4 bolts.

I think that cover may have 6 bolts, 4 being recessed.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #15  
I think that cover may have 6 bolts, 4 being recessed.

Winston, that's what I was thinking too. That's what the exploded diagram that you posted seems to show. And there are 6 listed on the parts count.
Where did we get into aftermarket pumps and different bolts? This should be a straighforward fix. I'd say "easy", but nothing old ever is.
rScotty
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #16  
Thanks rScotty, Had no idea it was this complex and varied but makes sense that it would be given the range of applications and environments they are used in and subject to. Really appreciate the time you took to share this.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This?
  • Thread Starter
#17  
Thank you everyone! Now it just a question do I want to do It. you guys have made some good posts. It is a very slow drip.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #18  
Dan0, Listen to the other guys more than me but if you didn't discern it when you check engine and hydraulic oil levels I'd keep an eye on it and the levels and leave things be. Sounds like it could be more seepage than leak. Sometimes getting into these things causes other problems.
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #19  
Something to add. RScotty aren't many of these I rings on these machines not just metric but a Japanese spec o ring...which is not just a standard metric o ring .
 
   / Yanmar 240 What is This? #20  

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