Comparison Yanmar lawsuit.

[clemsonfor]

That's what's in the filing. I doubt that they will be able to buy back after all the legal fees. Unless they ( all the dealers) have mega$$$$$ yanmar will break most if not all parts sellers with legal fees. When you come down to it. It's all about the $$$ yanmar is (as they state) loosing alot of $$$ on tractors & parts. Why else would they be asking for all profits that were made from tractors & parts

They are loosing money yes. Ym240 owners as well as other us tractors and us grey owners buy from someone like hoye or fredericks mostly, instead of yanmar. Only reason i do is cause they wont sell me parts at Yanmar america and hoye is one of the best parts places i have dealt with!!

But here is the thing that the defense needs to prove in court. HOw come Ford/chevy/ honda, or whoever dosent go after the aftermarket and places like autozone or advance? They loose sales to these places, i can walk into advanceauto and out with a brand new alternator for a 2011 ford truck, instead of going to the dealer to buy it. This is the same thing. OK if you want to talk tractors there are aftermarket places making parts for Massey, Ford, JD, IH you name it??????


Also i did notice that Hoyes site Yanmarowners.com has changed to ymowners.com. There is a note on the site that says this, they said it changed because yanmar america now has control over the yanmarowners.com site domain (it still redirects i think to the Ymowners site if you type it in though), not sure if they forcefully took it or hoye sold it to them?

I wish Aaron with hoye would comment as i know he is reading this but probly won't as he is either smart or has been advised by his legal council to not say anything about this topic as a whole (would be my guess).

 

[rhett]

The way I see this. (keep in mind I'm scatter brained)

It started on the soil of Japan, they do not allow the use or resale of units after a set time frame.
So, a second party sold units as export for a marginal cash return. (I think a 2nd party)
The US market for Grays became lucrative.
Inexperienced operators are injured or killed putting blame on the manufacturer even though the manufacturer has no control over the sales of used equipment.
YAC enters the US market with their line.
US lawyers see big $$$,$$$,$$$, litigation's begin.
A jury trial is demanded.

All used items originating with a Trademark, resold, donated or given in the US are actually on trial.

If the end goal is to destroy units, that should have taken place on Japan's soil, Not exporting the issue after making profits using the US Judicial System.

GRAY Liability, that should not be an issue for YAC. If it is proven they did not export to the US market place, nor Import Gray's? On the other hand if YCL was instrumental with Export operations, they are Liable and cases should be handled by Japan's Legal System.

I have no legal background, but hate seeing my Country going to He!! in a Hand Basket. What will we out source next?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

From your post it sounds like in Japan they either had to melt them down or export them.

I do not see Yanmar (proper) doing well in the USA market. The buyers seem to be those looking for low cost grunt tractors. Japan lost out to China and India in the tractor making business I expect and China will stay in the game by moving production to Africa. India has a huge home market as well as China and Africa.

Over the next 10-20 years when many of us posting today will be dead there will be a glut of CUT's on the market that may forever kill the market for new. There are 10 year old CUT's out there with less than 500 hours when they are good for 5000 hours with care.

I think Yanmar is not living in the real world when it comes to top management.

 

[Car Doc]

They (Japanese) make some really fantastic high performance cars and diesel small trucks etc that they have to get rid of after so long I cant remember the law at this moment? (sounds like shogun law or something like that??)

But those cars can not be brought in the states unless they can be federally crash safety and emissions certified thats how the gray market cars stay out of here which is a shame there are a few I would give anything to own. fwtw

Funny thing is we are getting the Japanese mini trucks over here with the 660cc 3 cyl engines. They are allowed on county roads in my area like a 4 wheeler but not a highway or interstate. fwtw

 

[Scooby074]

They (Japanese) make some really fantastic high performance cars and diesel small trucks etc that they have to get rid of after so long I cant remember the law at this moment? (sounds like shogun law or something like that??)

But those cars can not be brought in the states unless they can be federally crash safety and emissions certified thats how the gray market cars stay out of here which is a shame there are a few I would give anything to own. fwtw

Funny thing is we are getting the Japanese mini trucks over here with the 660cc 3 cyl engines. They are allowed on county roads in my area like a 4 wheeler but not a highway or interstate. fwtw

In Japan it's an age thing. After X (i forget exactly) the car requires a complete inspection where all fasteners are tightened, major components replaced even if not broken (time expired). It becomes cheaper to sell the cars over here either as complete cars of cut offs instead of complying with the inspection.

Were starting to see the Kei cars (those small 660 cc trucks and cars) here because they meet OUR age requirements for import (20 yrs old I think) and they are time expired in Japan. Win Win.

I wish we could buy those Kei cars new, legally. They are great city vehicles. They should be brought over and sold as such (ie: not allowed on highways)

 

[clemsonfor]

Those Mini trucks are cool, but not street legal at all in this state. Id love to have one of those for the farm.

 

[Soundguy]

i'd love to hav eone here too.. would be perfect size to haul a single round bale of hay plus a palatte of feed. in fact.. PERFECT size for it flat bedded out. economical too....

 

[clemsonfor]

Did a google search. It appears they are going after hoye ( others?????) Yanmar America Corporation v. Hoye Tractor Parts, Inc. et al :: Justia Dockets & Filings

All I can say is. I hope they loose . As I read it,,, they seek the seizure & forfeiture of all yanmar tractors imported into the US

I think the others are the company that they use to sell yanmars under when they sold tractors if i am not mistaken. I think it is like his brother or brother in law or something?

 

[kenmac]

The suit is filed against hoye tractor parts,lam industries, agpro tractor parts, stans tractors, compact tractors .com. These (as the suit states) are all connect to hoye. They show several exhibits from hoye's site about selling parts, tractors, etc, YAC wants money they have lost due to the sale of parts & tractors & an order for for hoye to notify their tractor customers of the material differences of a grey tractor from a us tractor & to re-purchase any tractor sold at the customer's request. these re- purchased tractors are to be impounded & Destroyed. Ordering the impounding & destruction of the Defendant's infringing goods. Just a few of the things YAC list in the filing trademark infringments,unfair competition,false advertising,unlawful importation of trademarked goods,injury to business reputation,trade name & trademark. If I'm ever unable to purchase parts for my tractor & have to sell it for scrap. I would never buy a yanmar. My hope for all that are involved is they have enough $$ to hang in there with YAC'S suit. I doubt they (YAC) will stop their agression with these companies.I believe, They will go after anyone selling parts for our tractors until there are no parts to keep the tractors going

 

[winston1]

I think the others are the company that they use to sell yanmars under when they sold tractors if i am not mistaken. I think it is like his brother or brother in law or something?

Aaron posted this back in April although the name change hasn't actually happened yet. I suspect it is connected with all of this. Yanmar Tractor Support Message Board • View topic - ****** This Web
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