Yard sales and cell phones. (rant)

   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #81  
Alan, I quit riding on the road, twice. The second time it "took." Reserved my biking for off road fun instead of transportation that pits probability of death against a little less gas and a little more fun.

The basic concepts that "cured" me were:

1. No matter how aware and heads up you are or even if you are partially psychic and almost always know what a car is going to do before the driver knows there is always that little incident that would have been a minor fender bender (if you were in a car) that hospitalizes or buries you because you were on a bike. No fault of yours, but dead is dead or worse yet a vegetable.

2. It is a fact of life, just the way people's eyes and brains work and nothing much you can do about it but virtually all drivers of automobiles and trucks see many many more cars and trucks on the road than murdercycles. As a result these drivers learn to judge distances to an oncoming vehicle based on their majority experience (cars and trucks.) It is a plain fact of the physiology and physics of vision and the interpretation of visual information that gets bikers in trouble with cars and trucks. Be advised that even folks with GOOD depth perception can only accurately perceive distance to 25-40 feet. This is a function of the parallax angle of your eyes. You learn to judge distance by how much the eye muscles move to "cross" your eyes and aim them both at something. Due to the narrow baseline (interpupillary) distance and accuracy of your angular measurement you just can't do it more than about 25-40 feet (and lots of folks aren't able to do it that well.)

How do we judge the distance of an approaching vehicle on a side street when we are at a stop sign waiting to cross? We have learned to note how fast the vehicle is passing objects of familiar size AND we have learned (subconsciously) to judge distance and closing rate by the image size on the retina and the rate of change of that image size. That is the PROBLEM. Many drivers have seen few murdercycles approaching them. THEY DO SEE the murdercycle coming on the cross street but their brain, trained on much larger cars and trucks, tells them the bike is farther away and traveling slower and that it is safe to pull out.

This is the actual cause of many murdercycles T-boning cars when the car seems to pull out in front of the bike at the last moment. The biker did absolutely NOTHING wrong (except ride on the street), violated no speed laws, and was the paragon of cycling virtue but gets a trip in the meat wagon to the ER, the morgue, or both.

This later thing is one of the FACTS that motivated me to give up the street riding. Well, that and an unintended right turn into a church parking lot when a car in the left lane made a right turn without signaling and took me along plastered on the side of her Caddy. She then rolled down her power window and cussed me out for hitting her. I guess she really did need to visit the church but maybe more safely. I didn't flip her off or kick in her door just reveled in still being alive, right side up, and not bleeding (minor bruises were acceptable.) Somehow I don't think any amount of noise would have helped.

Noise to make the car driver hear you coming will not make his act of seeing you but misinterpreting the information with disastrous results, less likely.

Of course there is always the guy eating a bowl of cereal and milk while driving and talking on the cell phone, reading a magazine, or so zoned out to his tunes he wouldn't know if it was Thursday or Philadelphia. I especially like the ladies doing their eye makeup with the misaligned rear view mirror at 80 and on the cell drifting slowly back and forth half a lane out of THEIR lane and then back across to the other side and flipping youji off if you touch your horn to wake them up long enough to safely pass.

Pat
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #82  
Interesting thread.

Our first child is now 8 months old. When she was born, I decided that road rage was going to be a thing of my past. :) But, there is still one thing that drives me nuts.

We regularly drive a 2.5 hour stretch of I-30 between Dallas and Texarkana. Why, why, why do some big rig drivers pull out to pass another big rig and drive side by side for miles and miles down the interstate? I'm not talking about passing VERY slowly (which also irritates me, but to a lesser degree), I'm talking about driving exactly the same speed and blocking traffic for 10 miles.

By the time I'm able to get around, I am ticked off and in a bad mood. It's just plain inconsiderate. Some were so bad that we called the number on the trailer to report their pitiful driving.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #84  
Gatorboy said:
Hopefully you are not in the left (passing) lane -- for the rule "Slower Traffic Keep Right" applies and you should get over. The speed limit has no bearing, if someone is coming up on you, then YOU are slower traffic.

Nope...If I'm in the left lane and someone wants to go even faster than me, (I'm a bit of a leadfoot...I'll admit it...but some people are just dumb.) I move over & let 'em by. The idiots that usually annoy me into giving the blocking treatment are the ones that follow me so close I can't see anything but their mirrors on single lane roads.

The most common case is the road into the city from my place. It's a hilly, curvy road with an 80 km/h speed limit. I generally drive it about 100 in good weather. Just a couple of days ago, I was on my way into town in the evening & due to the decreasing light, slowed it down to about 90. Every few minutes, I caught a bright glare in my drivers side mirror. You guessed it...Little ricemobile with his highbeams on & following so close I wouldn't have even known he was there if he didn't keep blinding me whenever he decided to peek out & see if the road was clear in the no-passing zones.

The best revenge though...He blew by me just as we hit the city limits & **** near rear ended a cruiser. I actually pulled off the road to watch & cheer when I got to where the officer pulled him over. (The officer grinned at me...)
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #85  
patrick_g said:
Noise to make the car driver hear you coming will not make his act of seeing you but misinterpreting the information with disastrous results, less likely.Pat

Excellent post Pat. Experience is a great teacher. As for the point quoted above, much like depth perception and estimation of speed, our ability to locate the source of sounds, even loud ones, is imperfect at best. Someone confronted with a loud noise is probably as likely to react incorrectly as correctly.

I've seen a good many motorcycle accidents in the ER and minor ones in my office. My assessment is totally anecdotal and may have no basis in reality, but the overwhelming majority of severe or lethal accidents usually involved crotch rockets, usually at high speeds and usually no other vehicle involved. Simply put, machine too much for the rider. Bikers seem to have the impression that their only risk is from idiots in cars.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #86  
patrick_g said:
Funny how so many folks claim to be the rugged individualistic loaner cut from the cloth of James Dean and to prove it buy and wear a REGULATION biker uniform and gather in flocks of like minded to be appreciated.

Pat

As a Harley owner, this really made me laugh. I've said essentially the same thing many times.
Picture this, (about 10 years ago) I'm looking for a new leather jacket at the local Harley dealer. Sales girl walks over, I ask "Do you have any jackets that don't say Harley or anything on them?"
She: "When you walk into a place, don't you want people to know you've arrived?"
Me: "Uh, no. Thank you"
I left.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #87  
There's been a number of things mentioned in this thread that cause motorcycle accidents. I'll see if this link will work to The Dallas Morning News story of a motorcycle crash yesterday when a gust of wind caused the bike rider to hit a wall which threw his female passenger off and over a barrier, killing her.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #88  
That's funny, because that is my attitude nowadays. I have tired of advertising for other people. I really really like my FXRS, but I don't want to advertise for Harley every time I ride. Nor, do I like to advertise for Yamaha when I ride my YZ250. Or, any other companies, cars, trucks, bikes, tools etc.

shvl73 said:
As a Harley owner, this really made me laugh. I've said essentially the same thing many times.
Picture this, (about 10 years ago) I'm looking for a new leather jacket at the local Harley dealer. Sales girl walks over, I ask "Do you have any jackets that don't say Harley or anything on them?"
She: "When you walk into a place, don't you want people to know you've arrived?"
Me: "Uh, no. Thank you"
I left.
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #89  
Wow! I figured my post would get me flamed about the BICYCLES not the motorbikes! :eek::D:D:D

I read this thread right before I drove home today which was fitting.

On the road where the MurderCycle, love that name, :D piped me in my earlier post, I noticed a Land Rover passing 4-5 cars over a half mile stretch of road. This is the only place that you can pass over 5-10 miles. It just happens to be a Causeway over a lake. A mile or so from the Causeway is a major intersection. This is where I thought I would catch up with the MurderCycle Piper. Anywho, Mr. Speedy LandRover got behind me and we hit the section of road where he can't pass. I slowed down, maybe a tad earlier than I would usually, :D which turned out to be a good thing since the traffic was really back up. The worse I had ever seen. I had to fill up the truck so I pulled into the station as planned. I had started filling up my truck and was working on my milage log before the light turned green and Mr. Speedy LandRover was able to get on down the road. He put people at risk for what? To sit in traffic a few feet in front of the people he had passed...

M O R O N.

Regarding pipes saving live. Bovine Scat. That idiot on the MurderCycle was danged lucky I'm a good driver. You drive where you look for the most part which is why many drunk drivers end up rear ending patrol cars who have pulled over another car. The drunk see the lights on the POlice car, fixates on them, and ends up hitting the patrol car. When Mr. MurderCycle downshifted and piped me, that cause my daughter to scream and me to look over my left shoulder. It would have been very easy for the truck to have drifted over the yellow line and bumped the twit. This is over a Causeway. If he had been lucky he would have pin balled between the guardrails on the road. Most likely, since the road is narrow, he would have hit the guardrail and been flipped over. At this point he would have hit big rip rap rocks, and/or 3-4 inch trees stumps that had just been cut. Either way he was going to be messed up and most likely dead. He might have been able to Superman it into the lake to drown which would have been less messy for his funeral.

Pipes save lifes my a....s.

I was getting groceries today. The checker, who had a Yamaha key chain, was talking to a customer who was bragging about how loud his bike was. "If you hear me in the parking lot, come out and check out my bike", was what he said. Safety was not a part of their conversation. It was Look At Me.

I have heard Rice Bikes a mile away late at night running down the highway to our front. Might be the same guy I hear running the road behind us. One day he will eat a deer. I have seen numerous deer/car conflicts on these roads. Hitting a deer in a car/truck is bad enough. I guess the idea of a deer collsion does not occur to Mr. Speed Racer Rice Burner.

I laugh at 99.99% of what I see every day. The closest I get to Road Rage is spooling up the turbo and the engine to smoke the bicycles when I pass. Now with the new ULSD that does not even happen anymore. :eek::confused:

I know a guy who is a LEO as was his wife. She was riding a bike one day and was T boned by a car. Nothing she could do. She lost her leg, her career and her mobility. He loss of mobility has caused her to fear things that in the past she would have been called to investigate.

I figured the Speed Racers will reap the seeds the sow. I just hope they don't take innocents with them. We had a wreck this weekend on one of our safer roads that killed two people. One of whom was in a car that was unlucky enough to be hit buy a Lexus that lost control, crossed 2 or 3 lanes of traffic and a median. So far they don't know why the Lexus lost control. Given the people where burned to death or near death they may never know.

Be safe out there Guys and Gals.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Yard sales and cell phones. (rant) #90  
I have found that a one or two cylinder bike will be louder if you want more performance. It is just the way the exhaust pulses balance out. Interestingly, if you want more performance, opening the exhaust up a little works. Too much though, and it is just loud. I had a Thunderheader on my bike for a short time. Worked great at high rpm. But, I don't ride at red line all the time. I went back to a stock header and slightly opened up tips; I had better bottom end performance, and better low end handling overall.

The guys with open pipes are giving up performance. And, it doesn't sound that good when it hurts your ears. I was gonna pull the Thunder header anyways, but decided firmly on it, when a little girl wanted to look at my bike. I couldn't start it with the 5 year old girl standing there looking at it.

The sound of a well tuned bike is nice, but just a loud bike, car etc aint. And, it does not do that much for helping people hear you.

I ride on fire engines too. It is amazing how many people don't hear or see a big red engine, all lit up with sirens and air horns blaring. If people don't hear and see our Engine, they aint gonna hear open pipes either.

So now, my bike is not loud, but still has some sound to it. And, it runs better over all. And, my neighbors like me :D

Farmwithjunk said:
Now Pat... Tell us how you REALLY feel ;)

I agree, albiet in less harsh terms. The "loud pipes save lives" concept is a rationalization (excuse) for wanting EVERYONE to see you and HEAR you, rather than a saftey reason. Learning how to stay in the line of sight of other drivers on the road is a saftey practice. Not putting yourself carelessly in harms way is a saftey practice. Having ear splitting loud exhaust is offensive and bad for the non-cycling publics image of bikes. If you TRUELY love your sport/hobby/passion, then you don't shoot it square in the foot at every opportunity. You try to peacefully co-exist with the rest of the world, cycle fans or not. That comment is from a Harley owner and lifetime AMA member....ME.
 

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