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   / Yes No Maybe #21  
I'm one of those people who just wouldn't be without a back hoe. I had them on my last 4 machines. I probably use it 30% of the time I'm on the tractor. Besides the tasks you mention, I use it to pop stones, roots and stumps, If I'm going to put in a garden, I almost always tear up the area with the backhoe before tilling. Gets the stones, roots and brush out. As long as you lube the hoe every day, I don't think you'll have a problem with wear. I say get the hoe, you'll love it.

Andy
 
   / Yes No Maybe #22  
When I was pricing machines, Mrs RR was looking at my prices.

"These prices seem low, do they include a backhoe?"

I 'splained how a hoe wasn't gonna be as good an investment as the rest of the machine, real convincingly.

'That's nice; but if we don't get a backhoe, we aren't getting a new tractor, that would be STUPID!"

At this, I put my foot down, insisting we were NOT getting one.

So, now I have had my new tractor and backhoe for a year, and I am amazes how much use it has gotten. Rental won't work for me, but even if it did, I would be glad I have it.

Removing the 3 point arms is NOTHING. Having the hoe close coupled to the tractor is what's important.

Sounds like you already have enough stuff to use it on to pretty much justify one.
 
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#23  
One problem I forsee with a hoe is neighbors. I should think once you have a hoe, you end up with even more neighborly neighbors. It's kind of like a dump trailer that everyone wants to borrow, I know, I'm one that borrows the neighbors dump trailer.
 
   / Yes No Maybe #24  
And the problem with that is..........

Doesn't this added demand just create more seat time for you? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Greg
 
   / Yes No Maybe #25  
Trade work with the neighbor that has the dump trailer and everyone else can pay by the hour. Unless they have produce or venison or somthing else tasty. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Yes No Maybe #26  
<font color="blue"> One problem I forsee with a hoe is neighbors. </font>

Depending on your relationship with the neighbors, and if you already do things for them with your tractor, you can honestly play the "insurance" card on that one.

"I would like to do something to help, but I am not insured and I am afraid to do anything off my own property in today's world..." or something like that...

I have already decided to help the neighbor who has helped me with his tractor in the past, regardless of the insurance issue. But except for him...and that friend of mine down the road that I want to help and am willing to risk the insurance [or lack of it] question, I don't plan on doing much elsewhere...even though I might like to.

Now if you have proper insurance, than I don't know what the answer is...
 
   / Yes No Maybe #27  
Hello, I am new to this forum, although I have been reading the discusions for a couple months. Anyway, about buying a backhoe, Buy one if you can afford one. I noticed when I bought mine that there were many used ones on the market and they did not have much use on them. I am also in the process of building my own house, for the third time and have gone the rental route before. For example, I built an 800' town spec road last fall, rented excavator to rough it out and used tractor and b.h. to finish grade and make ditches. Will also use my b.h. for all of the power/water trenches and septic system. You will always find a use for the b.h. and it is nice to be able to use it on your own time.
 
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#28  
Sclouchy, you read my mind. I am searching for a used one first and maybe only. I priced a new Woods 9000 and depending on the bucket, it's running around $7500 to $8000. Thanks, Rat.
 
   / Yes No Maybe #29  
hi all:

well I have enough experiance with this to give advice I think: I have TLB and have been in the process of building a place for the last year and a half:

for septic systems you will need to get the permits and the perc tests down first, then see what you have to DIG for them. the septic tank maybe able to be placed using the hoe but it will take lots of work, more so than you may think, like someone said you have to dig, and then move the dirt, then dig more and move the dirt. (as the septic tank movers have to have a clean area to back over the hole. also it needs to be the correct depth for you're forst and soil conditions) the septic feild usually hast to be dug between 24" and 36" wide by as much as 6' deep again local codes will tell you what has to be dug to. then the dirt (about 90% of it) will have to be removed and you back fill with the correct gravel NOT the orriginal dirt!!!

as for footings again, frost and ground soil conditions dictate how deep and how wide they need to be, and if you are intending a basement forget attempting to dig it with a compact hoe.! hire it out.

mine was great for installing the electrical water and misc lines to and fro. I can dig to about 4 feet very quickly (6hrs run time for about 150 feet) to the 4' mark, but get below the 4' mark and the dig time nearly doubles as you can only move a couple feet at a time the arc swing then becomes a problem. mine will dig a 6' hole but the last foot of it will take 3 times as long due to it. I haven't tried to use it for a few things yet such as rock removal, but it will work great for that, I've used it for creek maintenance and it worked well then for digging gravel out of the creek in less than ideal conditions. the biggest problem is that they don't have much SWING left/right, maybe 140 degrees or so? so getting the dirt/rocks ect out of the way is the biggest problem.

I know several guiys who excavate for a living, usually on small jobs it takes them more time to move the equipment there than the job takes, (this week i talked to one about digging a service pit in my pole barn, price to dig was less than 200 bucks but the delivery fee was as much if it was a trip specific job.) if he was in the neiborhood only fee would be cost of the digging. 150 ~ 200 bucks. using his 40 foot hoe with a 5' bucket driving into the barn with bucket extended straight out dropping and dragging it backwards to the 5' depth I wanted... total digging time is estimated at about 1 hr! somethign I can dig with my hoe but would take days litterly... is it worth the 150 my days worth of tractor work or is it better for him to do it and be able to then not have to worry about the amount of work wear & tear factor?

I will be using my hoe for tree transplanting in a year or less so that was my # 1 reason for getting it and the barn build project was #2. along then there were lots more reasons, and while I have yet to even think about recouping the $ it cost it is nice to have... I'm thinking rental of a compact track style hoe may be best way for the barn service pit as they can go inside and dig right where i want swing around 180 degrees dump into my dump trailer and then I can dump it when it is full and return to the digging after the dirt has been removed from the site... I have to look into the COST per day for one though I think it will be cheaper to have it done.

Mark M
 
   / Yes No Maybe #30  
Rat,

Like others said, I like my little hoe, it would be hard to part with now that I am use to having one and it has its limits.

I think your soil conditions have much to do with how practical it is to do the projects you listed. If your area is know to have much rock I would personally hire the job out. If the soil is generally pretty clean digging I would buy the hoe. If you can do your listed projects you will have a good part of it paid for. Just keep in mind that where a full size hoe will often pop a stump out in minutes you can spend hours with a compact hoe.

Best of luck on the house project.

MarkV
 
 

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