yet another question

todda323 · Feb 2, 2006

Yet another question adding to my long list. I spoke with a service guy from my dealer today. I asked him about the front end lube. Appeared my 1700bd has grease instead of oil. The service guy told me this was ok and to leave it and not replace it with oil?????? He said they filled with high temp grease (Shell.) Second thing that raises my suspicion is I asked him if they had a operation manual around the shop I could copy. He said they did not...I then asked them how much they could get me one for and he told me about $60-$75. I know this is crap because I have talked to the many fine folks on here and know about how much i can get a manual or a cd for. Not trying to blast my dealer but this all seems a little strange. Maybe I'm being a little too suspecting.

normde2001 · Feb 2, 2006

Unless you bought your tractor from a Yanmar parts dealer, he has to pay the same price as you for a manual, plus tack on handling charges, shipping, and profit. An operations manual for a compact tractor is practically useless, however if you are talking about a service manual and or parts manual, the price is about right. I paid about $100 for the 3 manuals about 5 years ago.

HoyeTractor · Feb 2, 2006

You will want to remove the grease and put in 90wt gear oil. The grease will stick to the housing and not where it is needed. It is common to put in grease when there is a seal leaking- so don't be surprised if it all leaks back out.

Aaron
Parts@Hoyetractor.com
(940)592-0181

mark777 · Feb 2, 2006

Do you think they said leave the grease in the FWD because if you use 80-90wt, the seals may leak, or bearing noise my become more apparent?

Just askiing for your opinion (of this dealer)?

**edit** Aaron beat me to it by a minute /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

normde2001 · Feb 2, 2006

Aaron is correct, however out of pure laziness, I would just leave the grease, (it won't hurt a thing), and top off to the fill hole with 140w gear oil. It will remain liquid enough and be less likely to leak.

Egon · Feb 2, 2006

Seems I can recall from many a year ago the practice of adding sawdust to vehicle transmisions and rear ends to mask gear noise and leaks.

Note: No idea why there is grease used in this tractor.

Egon

Soundguy · Feb 2, 2006

If the 140wt leaks or weeps.. then get a few tubes of JD cornhead grease and pump it full. the cornhead grease is a light 0# grease.. works ok in gearboxes.. the grease will flow enough to fill the voids in the gears, instead of sticking to the wall and making a hollow... Pretty gooey stuff. It also happens to be the defacto prefered ford manual steering gearbox lazy 'repair' for leaking sector seals.

Soundguy

normde2001 · Feb 2, 2006

I would bet that 1/2 of the 4WD gray market tractors in the country, (ours and yours), have grease in the front ends because of leaks.

FleetMan · Feb 2, 2006

If you need grease to avoid leaking seals you might consider one of the semi-fluid synthetic lubes such as Mobil SHC 007. Kendall has a semi-fluid lube also. Many OTR trucks and trailers use this in their oil bath wheel bearing hubs to avoid oil leaks onto the brake shoes. You get the benefits of an oil bath system with the leak resistance of a heavier grease.

todda323 · Feb 2, 2006

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll try the 140W and we'll see where that takes me. I'm still a little weary of the dealer. He sold me my 1700BD as a 1700D. It didn't take too long doing a little research to find out I had a BD not a D. That along with these few small discrepancies just leaves me saying "mmm."

todda323 · Feb 2, 2006

Also I have to give credit where credit is due. Thanks to the great guys at Hoy for helping me out with the "is it a BD or a D questions."

kenmac · Feb 2, 2006

I have to agree with arron on this. If you have grease in the front of a 4 wd tractor, how is the grease going to get down to the bearings in the front wheels?These roller wheel bearings need to be soaked in a liquid gear oil.If the seals are leaking , replace them. I guess you could pack the wheel bearings in the front like a car,but then there are the gears that need to be lubed also.

EuroYanmar · Feb 3, 2006

Todda323,

A few months ago I have asked the same question about "liquid grease". We have discussed this point very acurately on the board.
Please have a look at this post (make a search on the forum using this (full) expression including brackets"":

front wheel drive fluid or "liquid grease"

Phil

EuroYanmar · Feb 3, 2006

Todda323, here is the link just click on it.

Shortened Long URL

Phil

BruceR · Feb 3, 2006

todd,

Little Miami has their in stock operators manuals, including the YM1700, for $20.00. Worth looking into.

Bruce

normde2001 · Feb 3, 2006

I would not get too hung up on this "dealer". Most gray market tractor lots could just as easily be selling pot holders, and I wouldn't think of it as a "dealership" any more than I would think of a used car lot as a dealership, nor would I expect him to be particularly knowledgable in his merchandise. One needs to do their own research before the purchase.

lens12 · Feb 3, 2006

I would not be afraid of using the corn head grease. As mentioned before it is really a thick oil. It is used in cornhead gear boxes & runs thousands of hours without failure. If the seals are bad it will still leak. It it is a real bad leak , you may some bad bearings. I wouldn't say half the grey tractors have grease in the FWD. It depends a lot on who in Japan they are bought from. I've only had to replace one FWD seal on a tractor bought from "A" grade suppliers. "B" grades are a different story. Yanmar YM240 operator manuals are under $20.00.

pennwalk · Feb 3, 2006

<font color="blue"> An operations manual for a compact tractor is practically useless </font>
I have found the operations manual for my 186D to be very useful. I think they are more useful if the refer to your exact tractor but something is better than nothing.

Chris