ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #21  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

I'll weigh in since I actually purchased the Simplicity Citation earlier this year. The ownership issue has been discussed before, I researched it and there's some earlier post on that issue but bottom line is Simplicity owns a variety of manufactors, Ferris who developed the IFS systems and implemented them 8 years ago. It's my understanding that they purchased Briggs, not the other way around but the ownership debate is like which came first the chicken or the egg.

As for the Consumer Z units, they are sold as a combination unit, i.e. having both features of commercial and residential units. They have the commercial grade pumps but stamped decks etc... The price various but in general is less than true commerical units and often equal to many residential units. In Central Kentucky I've seen the 50" unit see for as low as $4,300 and the 44" cut as low as $3,800.

I chose the Citation as it's commerical grade unit and unless your rear is made of 10 gauge steel itself you'll be able to tell the difference if your yard is rough like mine. I compared several mowers, including many mentioned in this post and the IFS provided what I felt to be a better ride, although I liked things about all the ZTR's I tested.

I've put 9 hours on my unit and mow about 1.5 acres with allot to mow around, it took me about 2.25 hours with my garden tractor and I mowed Sunday and it took exactly an hour. I've mowed about an acre of my horse field when it was 6 inches high and wet as a test, this isn't flat or smooth, it's a rolling hill with all the dips of Kentucky hills, it cut through the grass like butter, engine never once acted as if under strain and the cut was surprising.

Mowing with a ZTR takes practice and I'm improving with each mow, only real negative I have is it cuts my yard better vertically than horizationally, i.e. smoother cut but I paid $5,250 for the 48" unit and all in all I'm satisfied. I know I found things I wish this one had and vise versa, in short get what meets your needs, test ride and mow with them and then decide. Good Luck!
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #22  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

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I don't think you have to worry about B&S's interest in Simplicity causing your demise; I'm guessing the commercial lines [not the consumer versions thereof] will continue fairly unhindered. Now how the names eventually arrange themselves, and how hard [or perhaps, how soon] B&S pushes their own engines....that will be interesing.

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I was actualy talking about Snapper being sold at Walmart... or the inevitability of that being possible. I actualy like B&S engines. Grew up on em. Know em inside out. Not skeered of em at all. Had a lot of good ones.
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #23  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

As just pointed out, it will really come down to what trade offs mean the most to you.

I have no doubt that the IS would be noticable on most yards, but myself [perhaps I'm slighly masochistic /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif] would take this a nice bonus, but only if quality factors were considered first.

Engines: each has made die-hards and lemons, and everyone has their favorite...so if one scares you avoid it, else I wouldn't worry. If you keep the lawn fairly tame, one or two HP likely won't be noticed; else more won't hurt you, and remember the torque curve is as important as raw HP.

I too am sold on the pump/wheel motor over integrated. If you're looking at the integrated ones though, IZT seems to me beefier than the EZT, but worst case, I'm sure there will be plenty of [new and used!] replacements running around in a few years.

If you have some abusive condions, the heavier decks will likely pay off. Same with frames, if you have a very gental lawn, this may not be a important; but a couple good ruts can put stresses in places you'd never imagine.

Completely confused? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I think you have some real good options!
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #24  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

Unless I'm mistaken, they're using the proven, patented Simplicity deep "striping" deck, with full width rollers on them, for the Simplicity ZTRs. You should see the 10,000 TON press make one of those decks out of a flat piece of 10 guage (11 for some equipment) steel -- Simplicity has made SIGNIFICANT investments in their manufacturing capability, at least at the Port Washington plant. A CAD/CNC controlled plasma cutter that requires no human intervention other than loading stacks of raw material (sheets of steel) on one side and taking the parts off the other. Robotic welders that weld up the frames, state of the art powder-coating booth and oven that allows them to change colors of the equipment being produced without stopping the line, etc.

I was VERY impressed, for a small, old company -- and their employees are the most remarkable part. Their employees average over 20 years experience with them...
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #25  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

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One of the first things Simplicity did after they bought Snapper was to go to Arkansas and negotiate pulling Snapper out of Walmart...

They haven't been sold in Walmart for about 2 years or so... They're betting their future on the dealership network, and that (in addition to production capacity) is why they bought Snapper. Snapper had about 7,000 dealers at the time, compared to Simplicity's approximate 5,000 dealers, and Snapper had much more market penetration in the South and Southwest. Simplicity just about tripled their manufacturing capacity, and more than doubled their dealer network with this one purchase. By the way, they turned a company on the verge of bankruptcy (largely due to the negotiated Walmart cheap prices) back into a profitable, growing company, very quickly...
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?
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Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

Just an update, I recently bought a 48" Simplicity Citation. I went to a dealer; and after comparing several units, I chose the citation for the suspension, tip speed, and forward speed. Although they advertise a difference of only 2-mph (7mph and 9mph) it seemed like a huge difference when you're actually on the unit.

For an extra $1k, at least in my mind, there were enough aThank you to everyone that offered their knowledge and opinions.
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #27  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

RS let me know how you like yours. I mowed in 40 minutes the other day, that's an hour and 5 minutes under my old time on the old 1846 MTD. Overall I'm really impressed, just a note, I fooled with my shock set up to see how it affected the ride, the vertical or 90 degree set up is much stiffer but if a traction issue it helps there. Other than it does take a few times mowing to get the hang of the controls, I find I'm improving with each mow. Enjoy and keep me posted on how you like the Citation.
 
   / ZTR's: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50? #28  
Re: ZTR\'s: Simplicity ZT18H or Cub Z-Force 50?

Briggs does own simplicity now, but nothing has changed. As we all know simplicity already owned snapper, giant vac and ferris.

The snapper zt and the simpicity zt's are made in the ferris plant. I have visited both manufacturing facilities and neither of these models are rolling off the assembly line in Georgia or Wisconsin.

Now on what to buy, I would prefer the transmissions of the snapper/simp unit over the heavier deck on the hustler anytime. The IZT transmission are known to have problems and I can almost guarantee the stamped deck on the simplicity unit will outlast the transmission in the hustler unit. Those IZT's come in all the cheap units, like the 2500.00 cub and the husqvarna z's and they aren't very good.

Simplicity ZT over the cub z-force every day!!!1

Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. Forums Rock.
 

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