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Whew, that was a windy one, but I'll reply to the meat of the post.
Many medium duty applications are well-suited to an in line 6 configuration, so I am not sure any major conclusions can be made there about the 6.4L not being a suitable choice. The power numbers are there and the service interval is similar between it and other diesels in this class.
I'm not going to write a book here, but obviously, if the 6.4L were durable enough for true medium duty work, it would be under the hood of the F-650. It would save Ford millions per year. The reason IH uses their version of the 6.4L in their mediums is because it's turned way down and it will survive, albeit a shorter life, than a true medium duty engine. Your comment that the "service intervals are similar" isn't true. A 360HP 6.4L would have vastly different service intervals IF it was used in a true MD application, but since it isn't, it doesn't really matter. My gosh, even a DT466 is only cranking out 300HP in a medium application and a DT466 will shame a 6.4L in durability and torque. I know a little about this, I own one.
I also do not feel the 6.4L engine was the cause of any termination in relationship between Ford and IH, but mainly issues from the preceeding 6.0L early production engines.
I never said it was. I always knew & assumed the 6 leaker was what caused Ford to divorce IH. Ford should walk away, the 6L will go down as the diesel engine that ruined one of the greatest manufacturing relationships in this country. Ford & IH collaborated for decades and swapped billions of dollars.
I feel perhaps conclusions are being drawn here that might be a bit reaching. I too wish Ford had carried this run of engine longer, but I suppose we could look at it as more a desire to continue diesel development for more power, durability and economy.
Then why not continue it with the 6.4L? Don't you think 4 completely different diesel engines is a tad excessive for a 8 years of Superduty production? Don't you think it causes some customer apprehension?
Would it surprise you to know that I was a "brand loyal" ford owner for 20 years (15 Ford trucks) and gave up my brand loyalty because I felt this apprehension? I also saw the end coming between Ford & IH and knew it meant an uncertain future at Ford.
If Ford's "scorpion" diesel has 430 hp; 750 pound feet of torque and gets 15 mpg pulling with a 400,000 service interval then the change might have not been so bad and the other companies will be scrambling.
That's a BIG "if", my friend. Over the last 5 years, Ford's been lagging in the power wars. If they can produce an engine like that with an improved drivetrain behind it (there's no way a torqshift will be reliable under those kinds of numbers) then I would happily consider going back to Ford even with you chastising me all the way to the ford dealer.
As for your next truck purchase, when you are ready to buy, I think a Dodge or GM would be a fine choice.
John M
I owe ford nothing (GM or Dodge for that matter). I'm buying the best new truck made at the time when I buy- period. If it's Ford, then I buy Ford. But being loyal to Ford if they build an inferior product when one buys is just plain stupid and a diservice to your best interests. Might as well get a Ford tattoo on your forehead and start collecting Ford Pintos on the side.
Ford uses the Cummins diesel and the allison transmission in thier bigger trucks. All I'm saying is that is the ultimate compliment to your competition. I'll leave it at that.