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The tax situation to pay for these programs in Tennessee is pretty bad. Especially when moving here from IllinoisThere's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
The tax situation to pay for these programs in Tennessee is pretty bad. Especially when moving here from IllinoisThere's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
I don’t equate satisfaction completely with money. If you do, that’s sad. They are not mutually exclusive.I said rich not satisfied
Do you want to pay more taxes so you can expect more government services or do you want someone else to pay more taxes so you can have more government services?The tax situation to pay for these programs in Tennessee is pretty bad. Especially when moving here from Illinois
Ultra, only gonna comment about the water/waste water aspect; those actually affect public safety. Fire department and police have very little affect on anyone's true safety. Get a whole town sick from bad water, or a sewer discharge. I'm not saying fire department doesn't help people, but in the grand picture it is a Very small number per year.I didn’t get much traction when I spoke at city council about reducing services and taxes.
It’s kind of ironic open space parks and beaches are the first to close due to budget where social programs often slightly reduced if at all.
A friend works for the sewer department and years ago he said if you want stable employment with overtime hire on at the sewage department and he was right… no matter what there is always money for sewage.
You would think police and fire but not here… both will have tons of publicity for any budget issue and not shy about letting public know.
Ultra, only gonna comment about the water/waste water aspect; those actually affect public safety. Fire department and police have very little affect on anyone's true safety. Get a whole town sick from bad water, or a sewer discharge. I'm not saying fire department doesn't help people, but in the grand picture it is a Very small number per year.
If you live in/near even a medium sized town of 10k, they will probably have dozens of breaks per year, upgrades, ect; and the general public doesn't have any idea how expensive underground water/wastewater work really is. Sure directional drilling, pipe bursting, CIPP, and slip lining have helped keep the prices from climbing faster than they would, but trust me, it's climbed. Also, you Can defer some maintenance for a few years to a decade, but with that, a minor repair can/will turn into a major rebuild, and there isn't a cost savings.
Look at the Jackson Mississippi case. Something like 200 days out of a year they were unable to provide treated drinking water to significant parts of the rate payers. That's a Dang serious public safety problem, and yes, it was caused by 50 years of corruption, incompetence, poor planning, deferred maintenance, and bad decisions.
This was a known phenomenon way back when I got my Poli-Sci degree. When faced with pressure to cut spending, officials will target the most popular programs. The hope is that the populace will relent and cough up more money.I didn’t get much traction when I spoke at city council about reducing services and taxes.
It’s kind of ironic open space parks and beaches are the first to close due to budget where social programs often slightly reduced if at all.
A friend works for the sewer department and years ago he said if you want stable employment with overtime hire on at the sewage department and he was right… no matter what there is always money for sewage.
You would think police and fire but not here… both will have tons of publicity for any budget issue and not shy about letting public know.
The opposite is also true when raising "new" money.When faced with pressure to cut spending, officials will target the most popular programs. The hope is that the populace will relent and cough up more money.
If you don't think the fire and police depts are needed I'd suggest you eliminate those depts and see how it affects your safety and property values. My town has neither water or sewer depts and yet we do just fine with property values very high.Ultra, only gonna comment about the water/waste water aspect; those actually affect public safety. Fire department and police have very little affect on anyone's true safety. Get a whole town sick from bad water, or a sewer discharge. I'm not saying fire department doesn't help people, but in the grand picture it is a Very small number per year.
If you live in/near even a medium sized town of 10k, they will probably have dozens of breaks per year, upgrades, ect; and the general public doesn't have any idea how expensive underground water/wastewater work really is. Sure directional drilling, pipe bursting, CIPP, and slip lining have helped keep the prices from climbing faster than they would, but trust me, it's climbed. Also, you Can defer some maintenance for a few years to a decade, but with that, a minor repair can/will turn into a major rebuild, and there isn't a cost savings.
Look at the Jackson Mississippi case. Something like 200 days out of a year they were unable to provide treated drinking water to significant parts of the rate payers. That's a Dang serious public safety problem, and yes, it was caused by 50 years of corruption, incompetence, poor planning, deferred maintenance, and bad decisions.