Why Do Modern Loaders Have Their Lift Cylinders Upside Down?

[chickenman]

things are done to meet safety, functionality and CHEAPNESS

 

[Paul Vassallo]

Now I know how Christopher Columbus felt.With so many people,you would think someone knew.

 

[Renze]

Now I know how Christopher Columbus felt.

In the days of Columbus, nobody has been in the country he believed he would discover.
Today, in this loader matter, many people have been there, done that, and came back. Yet Christopher says nay...

 

[rhamer]

..... Also it looks purtey....

I actually kind of think it looks better ram facing upwards, which was why I originally posted the question. I didn't want to miss out on some fine point that makes them work better when mounted the other way up.

Case in point:
Many years ago trail bikes were made with the front forks one way up, but now they are all made the other way up. Apparently it has something to do with better weight balance.

Having read all the comments, I do agree that for neatness and ease of plumbing, ram down is much better.

As for speed..... well my tractors red (was originally orange) so everything goes 10% faster anyway

Cheers

Rohan

 

[SPYDERLK]

Now I know how Christopher Columbus felt.With so many people,you would think someone knew.

Yep!, everyone on the thread except you. You have a problem in being able to accurately apply facts. Such will inevitably skew conclusions.
larry

 

[Paul Vassallo]

Yep!, everyone on the thread except you. You have a problem in being able to accurately apply facts. Such will inevitably skew conclusions.
larry
Very profound I just asked a stick and it said you were right,who could argue
It was a white cane LARRY.
None so blind as those who will not see!!!!!

 

[Reg]

At this point I feel compelled to write a lot of cr*p about the difference in mass between the rod and the cylinder with fluid in it - and how that difference in mass might affect the force available for useful work - as well as lift and lower times....

So much for compulsions.

(-:

 

[Reg]

I actually kind of think it looks better ram facing upwards, which was why I originally posted the question. I didn't want to miss out on some fine point that makes them work better when mounted the other way up.

Case in point:
Many years ago trail bikes were made with the front forks one way up, but now they are all made the other way up. Apparently it has something to do with better weight balance.

Having read all the comments, I do agree that for neatness and ease of plumbing, ram down is much better.

As for speed..... well my tractors red (was originally orange) so everything goes 10% faster anyway

Cheers

Rohan

The trail bike thing almost certainly has something to do with sprung vs unsprung weight,
as the marketing blurb would say, although they should probably say "mass" instead of "weight".
Anyway, marketing blurb is just that.

"Inverted forks" are pretty much the standard on motorcycles these days, those that still use telescopic forks anyway - but we digress (-:

 

[Reg]

Here is what I was trying to say why they reverse the cylinder or Have Their Lift Cylinders Upside Down. Follow this link and check the speed times. Hydraulic Cylinder Speed - Learning Activity

Yeah, gottit.
Point being; The two actors in this little play are a rod and a cylinder and the subject is their speed relative to each other.
For any given flow rate and cylinder diameter the rod extends from the cylinder at the same fixed rate, whether the picture shows the rod on left and cylinder on right or rod on right and cylinder on left. When the flow is reversed the rod diameter also figures in the speed calculation, but the speed is the same whether the rod end is on the left or right of the picture and whether the cylinder or rod is held captive and the other allowed to move.
Again, it is their speed relative to each other that the calculation is about.

I think the left/right argument can be extended to up/down.
{With no apology for the extended pun}

 

[R W]

Talked to a dealer on this subject to-day, the reason he stated was safety, if the loader needs to be left in a raised position it is easier to fit a ram clamp with the cylinder installed with the rod end downwards.