Why bombs are armed on the flight line

   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #41  
It's not a photoshop. This picture has been around a long time. I remember seeing it on the walls of various workcenters while I was on active duty. Thing is, they were Naval Safety Center posters, basically the equivalent of OSHA, but for the Navy. They wouldn't have used something that wasn't real. They just don't do business like that. Those guys are strictly business.

Podunk
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #42  
...ahh-- the good ole days, how you miss them, how you are glad you are missing them and how you wish you could relive some of them.....
...

My USMC tour was 40yrs ago. But I know of what you speak.

Semper Fi!
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #43  
The forklift might not have even come out the door. It might have been going in. It could have come up the ramp and turned toward the edge in order to back in the door to go in, and he just went a little too far.
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #44  
Nothing inthe pic I see leads me to believe it is fake.. so far.. the left side of the door is out of the camera shot.. and there apepars to be more metal racks like the one holding that.. bomb-like-thing.. could be a plenty big door out of the camera angle...

soundguy

ok ok, my comment was way out of line. but, it did get some to take a closer look and consider the scenario of what actually happened. the picture does not show that, but then again the countless possibilities make one think, observe and try to prevent a re occurrence. yes, it could help prevent one wrongly maneuvering equipment in any circumstance. a bomb as the load just opens one's eye and gets everyone's attention.

Podunkadunk, you P3 guys are pretty cool, I had the opportunity to make friends with some of your brothers at Kadena. the sonobouy tubes are definitely a trademark of the P3. i never asked, Are the sonobuoy's ever recovered? i know they are considered expendable, just curious if the ocean floor is littered with them, and occasionally washing up on the beach.

Rhett
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #45  
Podunkadunk

Nothing like a four engine attack aircraft with a loiter time that must feel like weeks to the bad guys. Going to be sorry to see P3s get phased out for, I think, modified 737s in a few years.

The AF Safety Center uses the same pictures as the Navy. I remember seeing that pic a long time ago, maybe even before Photoshop or other photo manipulation tools were around can't remember.

IYAAYAS in the AF but IYAOYAS works too.:D
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #46  
Most mines don't have the yellow bands denoting High Explosive (HE). Some do, but it mostly depends if the mine is a re-configured General Purpose (GP) bomb or not. If it is, then it'll have the bands. Most of the time, the yellow bands are tell-tale signs to firefighters that the weapon aboard is HE. Brown stripes mean Low Explosive (LE) and Blue means the warhead section is inert. Also, because of Forrestal, Oriskany, etc., most GP bombs these days are thermally coated. This is basically insulation against quick cookoff. If there are 2 bands, then it's thermally coated, one band, it isn't. Again, the bands serve a visual recognition purpose to crash and salvage teams.

As for the Multiple Ejector Rack/ Triple Ejector Rack / Parent rack...your knowledge of Aviation Ordnance related lingo impresses me. :)

Here's a pic of me (over 10 years ago ;) at an airbase in the middle east). The weapon is an AGM-65 Maverick. Note the single yellow stripe and single brown stripe on the rear. For any kind of security reasons, I photoshopped out my face and squadron patches. :eek:

Here's a link to AGM-65: AGM-65 Maverick - Smart Weapons


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Podunk

Podunk....Here's one of me and the boys after we'd loaded out our 15 millionth pound for that combat cruise...Gulf of Tonkin,Kitty Hawk,A7E's,VA-192...circa 1971.

Don
 

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   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #47  
Rhett,

We probably stomped some of the same streets. I did a deployment to Kadena in 1999. I'm sure you're familiar (hopefully not too familiar ;)) with "Whisper Alley". As for the sono-chutes and buoys, no they aren't recovered. They "scuttle" themselves after a predetermined period of time, so yes, the ocean floor has hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of them out there:eek:. The time is programmed in prior to flight for the external load (48 of them) and the internal load can be preset to whatever the Tactical Coordinator requires just prior to launching. There are many kinds, passive, active, bathythermal...etc. Each has a specific function, but they all make up the cat and mouse game called anti-submarine warfare. I'd bet you a tank of diesel fuel that I would know some of those guys you met, or know someone who knows them:)

EdC,

Man, you don't know the half of it. My longest flight was 14.2 hours. We had 2 engines shut down for quite some time, saving fuel. Back in the days of the cold war and the then Soviet Union's submarine threat, we would fly out of an airbase in Iceland (Russia's front porch) and "flap" (fly continuously) for a month straight. That means that once one of their subs was located, we'd have a plane above it constantly for up to and sometimes over a month straight. (One plane wouldn't leave on-station, until a relief showed up, or there was a major malfunction. At that time, the "ready-alert" would launch and go continue the prosecution.) I recall Nov./Dec. of 1992 well. Heck, once we even ran out of sonobuoys, diverted to Bodo, Norway, did a Nascar style fuel stop, reloaded buoys and went back out on it...never missed a beat. Flying at night, down low sometimes 2-300 feet above the ice cold water with an engine, sometimes two "loitered" (shutdown, but ready for immediate restart), man I don't miss that! If we had ever had to ditch, survival probability (if you made it through the ditch) is near zero percent. The water was too cold, the ocean was too rough and it was too darn far for an H-53 out of Iceland to reach us. There wasn't any time to be complacent, or zig when you should have zagged. Everyone's eyes in the cockpit were glued to the radio altimeter. I could go on and on, but won't.

I've seen the prototype for the new P-8. Yeah, it's a 737 platform, but they are brand new planes...not retrofits. I'm not a big fan of it. Jet engine technology just isn't there yet to be able to match a prop's fuel efficiency at extremely low altitudes. There solution is to carry more fuel. Well, you burn a lot of fuel to carry it. There are pros and cons of both platforms...I am just biased I reckon.

BigD23,

Nice pic. That's a lot of ordnance! Thanks for YOUR service!!! That was quite a while ago. My first squadron as a redshirt was an A7E squadron. VA-66 "Waldo's" attached to the USS D.D. Eisenhower. As a matter of fact, I decomissioned that squadron. It wasn't re-designated...gone forever. That was in 1986. I too miss the M61-A1. To my knowledge, they haven't built another aircraft for the Navy since the A7E that would hold as many rounds of 20mm as it would - 1019 rounds. Of course as you well know, but for the others in TBN land, on "gun-high" it would empty the drum in 10 seconds! Yep, 100 rounds per second! Hydraulically driven, Electrically controlled, Electrically primed! Ooohraah.

I wish I had some pics, but don't :( Too long ago, too many moves since then...

Talk to you guys later,

Podunk
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #48  
Rhett,

We probably stomped some of the same streets. I did a deployment to Kadena in 1999. I'm sure you're familiar (hopefully not too familiar ;)) with "Whisper Alley". As for the sono-chutes and buoys, no they aren't recovered. They "scuttle" themselves after a predetermined period of time, so yes, the ocean floor has hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of them out there:eek:. The time is programmed in prior to flight for the external load (48 of them) and the internal load can be preset to whatever the Tactical Coordinator requires just prior to launching. There are many kinds, passive, active, bathythermal...etc. Each has a specific function, but they all make up the cat and mouse game called anti-submarine warfare. I'd bet you a tank of diesel fuel that I would know some of those guys you met, or know someone who knows them:)

EdC,

Man, you don't know the half of it. My longest flight was 14.2 hours. We had 2 engines shut down for quite some time, saving fuel. Back in the days of the cold war and the then Soviet Union's submarine threat, we would fly out of an airbase in Iceland (Russia's front porch) and "flap" (fly continuously) for a month straight. That means that once one of their subs was located, we'd have a plane above it constantly for up to and sometimes over a month straight. (One plane wouldn't leave on-station, until a relief showed up, or there was a major malfunction. At that time, the "ready-alert" would launch and go continue the prosecution.) I recall Nov./Dec. of 1992 well. Heck, once we even ran out of sonobuoys, diverted to Bodo, Norway, did a Nascar style fuel stop, reloaded buoys and went back out on it...never missed a beat. Flying at night, down low sometimes 2-300 feet above the ice cold water with an engine, sometimes two "loitered" (shutdown, but ready for immediate restart), man I don't miss that! If we had ever had to ditch, survival probability (if you made it through the ditch) is near zero percent. The water was too cold, the ocean was too rough and it was too darn far for an H-53 out of Iceland to reach us. There wasn't any time to be complacent, or zig when you should have zagged. Everyone's eyes in the cockpit were glued to the radio altimeter. I could go on and on, but won't.

I've seen the prototype for the new P-8. Yeah, it's a 737 platform, but they are brand new planes...not retrofits. I'm not a big fan of it. Jet engine technology just isn't there yet to be able to match a prop's fuel efficiency at extremely low altitudes. There solution is to carry more fuel. Well, you burn a lot of fuel to carry it. There are pros and cons of both platforms...I am just biased I reckon.

BigD23,

Nice pic. That's a lot of ordnance! Thanks for YOUR service!!! That was quite a while ago. My first squadron as a redshirt was an A7E squadron. VA-66 "Waldo's" attached to the USS D.D. Eisenhower. As a matter of fact, I decomissioned that squadron. It wasn't re-designated...gone forever. That was in 1986. I too miss the M61-A1. To my knowledge, they haven't built another aircraft for the Navy since the A7E that would hold as many rounds of 20mm as it would - 1019 rounds. Of course as you well know, but for the others in TBN land, on "gun-high" it would empty the drum in 10 seconds! Yep, 100 rounds per second! Hydraulically driven, Electrically controlled, Electrically primed! Ooohraah.

I wish I had some pics, but don't :( Too long ago, too many moves since then...

Talk to you guys later,

Podunk
Podunk, thanks for the nice words...After all these years I still remembered "1019" rounds of 20mm loaded up into the drum...All we loaded/fired were HEI rounds...The pilots Loved Gun High...I don't ever remember seeing the Gun Low detent pushed in...After "A" school,when I first got to my squadron,1969, we were flying A4F's off the Oriskany...MK-12 20mm's. Good gun but sure wasn't the M61.

Don
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #49  
I'll still take my favorite side arm anyday.......M61-A1.

Don

I would like to see the holster for the M61A1 20MM, 6 Barrels with a 1000 round drum (clip). A-7 / A-6's have a gun selector for gun High (6000 rds per min) or gun Low (4000rds per min). The drums was usally loaded in 100 round belts (actually 1 continous belt) separated by empty links. Sometimes loaded with HEI and/or tracers spreadout.
 
   / Why bombs are armed on the flight line #50  
I would like to see the holster for the M61A1 20MM, 6 Barrels with a 1000 round drum (clip). A-7 / A-6's have a gun selector for gun High (6000 rds per min) or gun Low (4000rds per min). The drums was usally loaded in 100 round belts (actually 1 continous belt) separated by empty links. Sometimes loaded with HEI and/or tracers spreadout.

Not quite Honeycutt! A-6's don't have an internally mounted gun, never have.

We loaded the drum to the requirement of the mission. Sometimes there'd be 200-300 even 500 rounds then a "break". This was so we didn't have to reload the gun when the pilot got back from that mission. We could get another mission done with what was in the drum. If we didn't put a break in the drum, the pilot would shoot all the rounds before he even knew he had done it, causing us more work. The gun has a last round switch in the exit port of the drum connecting to the feed chute. Once it tripped because of the "break" in the ammunition, it would shut the gun down. The pilot couldn't make it shoot again, because the overide is outside the aircraft. That's the jist of it...actually a little more technical that that. Tracers were put in at the discretion of what the mission called for. We usually did every 9 or 10 rounds, then a tracer. Still, would look like a continuos beam of light when fired. Hard to imagine there'd be 9-10 rounds between those. Awesome to see.

Podunk
 

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