Gear drive vs hydro

[N80]

Think they need to borrow my avatar?

We're not beating the horse now, we're just keeping the flies off.

Don't ask me why.

 

[jake98]

Thanks John,

Maybe we should have a 'test ride town hall debate' and invite everybody.

Jake

 

[jake98]

George, for cryin out loud, it took you 50 pages to say you never used one. Where are the flys comming from?

Dargo, where'd you get that ***-kickin .... avatatr? can I borrow it?

Men, I have to desert yous now...; the pandora thing... thanks jake

 

[N80]

I put double quotes around a healthy pet peeeve. what is real work, a fisherman would think it's another typo. Personally I think everything I do is on the real side.

I think the working definition of real work is the work that you get paid for and wouldn't be doing if you didn't.

(other than typing gibberish late at nite here), that's just plain fun.

Its has been fun and about the only fun I've had this weekend since I've been doing my own 'real work' (see my definition above) most of it....and no drinking games allowed.

this is supposed to be about gear/hydro not how much can sombody afford or how far can i puff out my chest...

You have much to learn, Grasshopper.

I mean good grief, there are guys here admitting that they have HST tractors with R4's on them. I don't know about you, but I don't want those guys in the same locker room with me. (Unwad panties fellows, its a joke).

nobody answered yet if they have syncro on a CUT...

I think the smallest Kubota that is fully synchronized is the M5040 and its really not a CUT. But I have not plumbed the depths of Grand L specs. For what its worth, a fully synchronized tranny with shuttle shift would be, to me, in my twisted little world, absolute perfection in tranny design.

 

[N80]

George, for cryin out loud, it took you 50 pages to say you never used one. Where are the flys?

I've had plenty of company fanning the flies....wouldn't you say?

But I don't know why folks keep saying I've never used one. I have and detailed that experience somewhere within these "50 pages".

You must have missed it.

 

[N80]

N80,

Your points on pulling a 2 bottom or what ever in "just barely" mode with a gear tractor and not able to with an HST is fallacious.

I disagree. I'll explain further down

There are 3 HP's that are important with tractors, as you know. (I'm adding this for those that are less knowledgeable).

Thank you.

But, there is also the drawbar HP. That's the load that can be pulled. It's a function of tire design, weight and 3pt design geometry. An L4400 FST, GST and HST will all be too close to distinguish in drawbar hp with the same tires, balance and geometry of all are practically identical.

If you know this for a fact I will gladly concede my first point. But I'd like to see some actual data that says this is true. As I have been led to understand it by the HST experts here at TBN that there is significant HP lost, to some degree as heat, in an HST vs straight geared. Of course, we will contend with what is 'significant'. But if I'm barely making it with 30 hp at the draw bar, then 28 isn't going to cut it, right?

I know I can pull a 2x14 bottom plow with a L3410 hst thru sod bound soil that hasn't seen tillage in 20+ years.

Thats is not relevant. I am not in any way suggesting an HST can't pull this or that implement through this or that soil. That's specifically why I framed the example in terms of whatever conditions it took to tax the geared tractor. Any less HP and it may be taxed beyond its ability.

With 99% probability a L3410 FST would not be able to pull a 3x14. I doubt that an L4400 would pull a 3x14, but it may.

Again, this is dependent on conditions. In my soil, the 4400 could not pull a 3x14. In my soil, under certain conditions, it can barely pull 2. Under those conditions, any less tractor would be at best overworked, at worst inadequate.

But it would take at least a 15 hp jump to pull an extra bottom and to get that hp gain, it's more than the typical cost difference gear to hst.

That's not right. At least not when I was buying 3 years ago. And it is THE crux of my argument. Not 4400DT vs 4400HST. The comparison is 4400DT vs smaller GL HST. The price is equal. In other words, $19,000 gets you gears and 45 hp or HST and about 30 or 32. The HP difference is around 12. Ten to 12 less HP and that 2 bottom plow is not going to go real far in our 'bull tallow' soil and that 7 foot disk is going to be a real challenge. This is a real and very practical consideration.

Maybe I do more loader work than most. Dunno. But I feel more is done in less time with the smaller hst tractor, and it's on the order of hours per day and not fractional minutes when there is a job exceeding a day's length.

I can't and wouldn't argue that. It makes sense to me.

 

[jake98]

I'm sure.

Didn't want to put you on the spot but nobody else wants to talk. I remeember the p/l.

reemeeberthis.... talk to you tomorrow geo.

jake

 

[jk96]

I mean good grief, there are guys here admitting that they have HST tractors with R4's on them. I don't know about you, but I don't want those guys in the same locker room with me. (Unwad panties fellows, its a joke).

N80 I'm assuming that was directed at me and my useless tractor.

Man I really need some snow here so I can get back on the tractor. I've wasted more time on TBN this week posting comments that contribute absolutely nothing than I have in 6 months.

 

[MossRoad]

I put double quotes around a healthy pet peeeve. what is real work, a fisherman would think it's another typo. Personally I think everything I do is on the real side. (other than typing gibberish late at nite here), that's just plain fun.

this is supposed to be about gear/hydro not how much can sombody afford or how far can i puff out my chest...

nobody answered yet if they have syncro on a CUT...

jake

what's up? you guys all trying out pandora.com? i can't hear you...

It was a joke between Soundguy and me. I have a little dinky tractor and he has some big iron.

 

[N80]

N80 I'm assuming that was directed at me and my useless tractor.

Nope. Not directed at any one person. I'm sure there are lots of folks with the HST/R4 combination who are...how should we say....still in the closet. And I'm okay with that, but it probably is more healthy to just get out there, admit it and be proud of it!

I've wasted more time on TBN this week posting comments that contribute absolutely nothing than I have in 6 months.

Contributing nothing!?!? Don't sell yourself short. This has been the most entertaining thread in months. And laughing is good for us. Even when we seem to be laughing alone...which makes us look crazy....but we're not.