Low flow Gyro head?

[Landwise]

Do any of you have any knowledge on the Low Flow Gyrotrack head?

I am thinking of purchasing one to put on a Tak TL140, but I have not seen one run yet. I think my LAST ASV is out of here, and I can't buy another Supertrak just yet. (Too slow, wife says no....)

If this thing works well on 5" and smaller, I can put on another machine for very little money. I know guys around here that have been running TL140's with Davco heads for 2000-3000 hours with very few problems, and it takes some of the burden off of their larger machines, not to mention burns way less liquid gold.....

Scott

 

[Terra Firma Scott]

Landwise, I am assuming you have been to GT's site and viewed their low flow head specs..

I am liking the weight !! 1200lbs..17 GPM min and 25 GPM max hyd flow...

I am interested in running this also but turning down the flow via flow controller on my particular machine...My machine spec is 26 GPM on the high flow but when i had my new engine installed they measured 28GPM...

Still awaitng CIMAFs low flow version too...same specs?? robbie/fred chime in?

 

[Robbie Hegwood]

Soon,Soon. 2-3 weeks before I have one here for testing. I have a tractor lined up so all I need is the little monster. I don't have the exact specs yet but as with our other heads we have a wide operating range so we can adjust to alot of different machines.
We have payed close attention to areas the others haven't and I think we'll have a head that is extremely capable on a smaller machine without any weak points.
As soon as I have some pictures and test results you'll find them here.

 

[Landwise]

How much $ ?

 

[Terra Firma Scott]

any word yet on the low flow head yet??? robbie/fred??? just curious

 

[deniscimafinc]

Ok, now I'm back from holidays for good. I hope to have pictures of the new head at the end of this week, or early next week. Actual sales have to go first, unfortunately I wouldn't go as far as saying I'd rather not have other sales this week, but I sure long for seeing that new little beast ready to roll.

More on this in the days to come, then...

 

[Robbie Hegwood]

Alright boys, the baby lives, and it is hard to keep it's hunger satisfied. As of right now it's on a tractor suppling 20 GPM @ 3300 psi. It has a 59"cutting width and weights 2000 lbs. So far cutting with it has been great. High flow carbides are screwed!!! It has a direct drive motor so there is a weight savings and no belt. Most low flows on major brands are right at the 20 gpm @ 3000psi mark. You can use it like you want, the weight is just right. The only draw back is without higher flow recovery time is slower. But I have adjusted to that and with that in mind you can keep the rpm's up. But when it's at full song it has alot of inertia and keep's its rpm well.
I have mulched a variety of material and nothing has stopped it yet. You EASILY forget it's a low flow.
So now the fun part. As of now the list is around 25K. That doesn't include shipping or connectors. But you can easily make that up with the saving on the tractor. And at last check that is about where high flow carbides are. Give me 50-60 hp and I will take on the world, one tree at a time.
Pictures and video to come soon.

 

[Timark80]

Veeery Interesting,see ya in PC

 

[Terra Firma Scott]

ooooooo.....yes pics and VIDS...cant wait..

 

[ClearViewGroup]

Low flow on a small machine is an ideal situation for alot of tight work and like Robbie said with our cutting technology and design a low flow head will still perform on par with alot of the Hi-Flow carbide hammers out there...its living up to all expectations!

 

[deniscimafinc]

Attached are pictures Robbie sent me earlier. But please, first read the legal disclaimer below...

The tests so far were done on an ASV RC-100 running on the low flow. We are planning tests on different other carriers, trying to see how far down on mechanical horsepower we can go before we can't run the head. What bugs me is the lack of case drain on many low-flow skid steers, that somewhat limits the tests we can do easily. Speaking of which, if any of you guys are near Atlanta, running a low-flow skid steer with a case drain or willing to install one, we'd be please to do some tests with you!


Legal Disclaimer:

• DENIS CIMAF cannot sell its front-mount heads on machines from ASV;
• DENIS CIMAF can sell its front-mount heads on tracked skid steers;
• However, for the moment, the term "tracked skid steers" has to be interpreted as "wheeled skid steers" with add-on tracks. So any "tracked skid steers" as you would normally understand it, we can't sell a head for it.;
• These restrictions apply for US, Canada and European Union;
• Even if, in essence, any internet website can be read by anyone on the planet (having internet connection, etc...), knowing that a good number of people reading this are from the US, and how some people are keen to pull the legal trigger, I thought it would be important for the above to be clear;
• All that to say that the pictures attached are for informational purpose, and not for marketing a mulcher-carrier combination;
• The ASV depicted therein was the carrier that we had available, and was/is used used for tests only;

Hope that will be enough to keep the other guy's lawyers quiet...

 

[ClearViewGroup]

These units are going to fill a market void that has been around for awhile. I haven't seen one in person yet but I will at the first available opportunity (hint hint Robbie )

 

[WestshoreConstruction]

As always beautiful product Fred, I will be in Ohio on Sunday night I will be back on Monday and jumping off one plane onto another and on my way to Montreal hopefully, I will be calling you Monday maybe we can get together. Dang this came out a little too late but I guess I can buy another smaller skidsteer then I'll have one of each LOL. I'm looking at a 375hp Barko wheeled machine as well maybe we can get a 8' cutter for that huh ??

 

[deniscimafinc]

Clearview, after we're done with the tests, we should know if anything has to be changed in terms of engineering (speeding up recovery maybe?). And then we'll start production for real. And then it should be easier to get you to see one

Westshore, I love wheeled machines! Actually, I'd love tracked machines also if I could sell heads for them... Anyway... If time allows, we'd be happy to have you visit the shop. By then, we should have a DAF-250Ex frame in to give you an idea of what our biggest head is like. I'll wait for your call anyway.


FD

 

[cbturf]

As always beautiful product Fred, I will be in Ohio on Sunday night I will be back on Monday and jumping off one plane onto another and on my way to Montreal hopefully, I will be calling you Monday maybe we can get together. Dang this came out a little too late but I guess I can buy another smaller skidsteer then I'll have one of each LOL. I'm looking at a 375hp Barko wheeled machine as well maybe we can get a 8' cutter for that huh ??

Did you take my advice or were you going down that road all along. I have looked at the Barko twice and forgot to get pictures of the cab. If you can remember snap a few photos. Tell me that the cab on the Barko is as close to an airplane as you have seen.

 

[Terra Firma Scott]

Hummm...Im really not trying to be smart but-I must have missed something somewhere-No tracked vs wheeled criteria for sales..?...What if I wanted to purchase the low flow head and park it in my garage just to look at it..?????? Can you NOT sell a head for a tracked machine at all?...only at this time?? yes or no..im confused......

 

[WestshoreConstruction]

Did you take my advice or were you going down that road all along. I have looked at the Barko twice and forgot to get pictures of the cab. If you can remember snap a few photos. Tell me that the cab on the Barko is as close to an airplane as you have seen.

Cb to be honest I was kinda looking at the same getup as you a wheeled machine and a tracked unit 150ish hp but I can't decide. There are a pile of very good used wheeled machines out there as well as some well priced new machines. I am off Sunday for Ohio and then to PQ to hopefully meet with Fred.

 

[cbturf]

Cb to be honest I was kinda looking at the same getup as you a wheeled machine and a tracked unit 150ish hp but I can't decide. There are a pile of very good used wheeled machines out there as well as some well priced new machines. I am off Sunday for Ohio and then to PQ to hopefully meet with Fred.

Trust me I do not hold myself on that high of a pedastal, I was just kidding. I think that if you are going to be on a big job you need all sorts of machines. On your project you will most likely hit some areas that you will need to cover some ground (tires) and you will have to clear some places you would have a hard time walking (tracks).

 

[deniscimafinc]

Hummm...Im really not trying to be smart but-I must have missed something somewhere-No tracked vs wheeled criteria for sales..?...What if I wanted to purchase the low flow head and park it in my garage just to look at it..?????? Can you NOT sell a head for a tracked machine at all?...only at this time?? yes or no..im confused......

No problem Scott, I'll try to make that clearer, yet short.

DENIS CIMAF agreed to some sales limitations in exchange for the large number of machines it was supposed to manufacture for Gyro-Trac. Main limitations were:

• DENIS CIMAF can't sell a head for a tracked machines. Gyro-Trac wanted to keep the market of the tracked machines like the ones it's doing (GT-25 and the like);
• Tracked skid steers are ok, as long as they are not from ASV. At the time of the signature of this, Gyro-Trac was in discussion with ASV to have their products distributed through ASV dealers. So GT wanted to keep that market for himself. The ASV-GT deal didn't go through, but the limitation remained.

At the moment, the term "tracked skid steer" written in the contract has to be understood as "wheeled skid steer with add-on tracks". This is following a court decision rendered early last summer. This decision is temporary however, and will be re-evaluated during the upcoming trial in January (hopefully, the decision will change then).

So, as of today, the sales limitations are actually more like:

• DENIS CIMAF can't sell its front-mount heads on any tracked machine;
• However, DENIS CIMAF can sell its front-mount heads on wheeled machines, whether they have add-on tracks or not;

If you call a DENIS CIMAF representative and tell him you want to install a DAF model on your compact track loader, the representative has to tell you "sorry, can't do that".

If you call a DENIS CIMAF representative and tell him you want to install a DAF model on a wheeled skid steer, or forestry tractor of some kind, then all is good.

If you say you have both types of machines but will buy the head for the tracked machine, the answer will be "sorry, can't do that".

And I can imagine how Gyro-Trac would react if I said we sold a head to a guy who said he wanted to simply "look at it" in his garage. Especially if they see that same guy running the head on a tracked machine two weeks later. Nah... GT peoples might not like me, but they won't believe I'm that dumb.


Hey, that said, Gyro-Trac does also have some limitations:

• Any request for a front-mount head to be mounted on a wheeled machine is to be forwarded to DENIS CIMAF. So if you are sold a Gyro-Trac front-mount head for your wheeled machine, please let us know;
• Gyro-Trac is not allowed to make excavator heads; It has to buy them from DENIS CIMAF. If you are sold a head for your excavator made by Gyro-Trac, please let us know;
• Gyro-Trac cannot either make boom-mulcher kits like DENIS CIMAF's DTN to be mounted on a grader;
• Any new product from Gyro-Trac that uses DENIS CIMAF fixed-tooth planar head technology can't be brought to market before a specific agreement has been reached. Right now, there is no agreement on the GT-50 nor GT-60. If you have bought or rented a GT-50, a GT-60, or any other new product from Gyro-Trac with a fixed-tooth planar head that is not 500HF or a 700HF, please let us know.

Hoping this will clarify the situation. Please let me know if you're aware of anyone not staying on its side of the fence (either from DENIS CIMAF, or Gyro-Trac).



FD

 

[jmfox]

This is following a court decision rendered early last summer. This decision is temporary however, and will be re-evaluated during the upcoming trial in January (hopefully, the decision will change then).

Do you have the cite for that case?

jmf