Toolcat Traction

[Mattlt]

consider then getting a sump guard or whatever they call them in america.

last time i got in the scrub trying to rake a bit of fallen timber i hooked a branch which pulled off one of the return lines,

the underside of the machine needs decent guarding in other words.

I always figured if I added chains, one would break and take out the front hydraulic lines. They are not that well protected near the front wheels.

 

[debushau]

I took a closer look at some machines over the weekend and agree that the mass of front hoses is very near the front wheels. It's sort of odd that there's no liner in there. The underside looked pretty robust though.

Another conceptual point - I thought the standard view was that live axled vehicles (like a C) had better grip off road because a live axle design always keeps the wheels on the group whereas an all-indepedent design (like a D) is much more likely to lift a wheel (as there's no pivot effect). Also, a live axle design has a fixed amount of ground clearance whereas in an independent design, the distance between the diff and the ground varies. The dealer did not have any space to compare the difference between the series - they felt the same on pavement.

 

[DEWFPO]

Another conceptual point - I thought the standard view was that live axled vehicles (like a C) had better grip off road because a live axle design always keeps the wheels on the group whereas an all-indepedent design (like a D) is much more likely to lift a wheel (as there's no pivot effect). Also, a live axle design has a fixed amount of ground clearance whereas in an independent design, the distance between the diff and the ground varies. The dealer did not have any space to compare the difference between the series - they felt the same on pavement.

When doing serious off-roading, that is the case, but it is highly unlikely that most Toolcat owners will be driving their equipment over Rubicon type terrain.

DEWFPO

 

[trlbrkr]

I have the D toolcat and the major drawback for uneven and wet ground is the lack of posi traction with the independant drive. Many a time I have been stuck and it is impossible to push yourself out with bucket so always carry a tow strap. I have used mine extensivley on our trails but pick dry periods when traction is best. I have 2 tractors and a Polaris 6 wheeler and the Toolcat has the most hours on it each week.
For plowing and blowing snow I run chains on the front tires and keep them tight with rubber staps and cut the excess chain links off so I do not worry about them coming loose and breaking lines.
I haul in gravel for installing culverts with a load in the bucket and bed. This winter I hope to custom install a hydraulic tail gate release because the exsisting handle's are small and I often use a hammer to tap them open

 

[DEWFPO]

I have the D toolcat and the major drawback for uneven and wet ground is the lack of posi traction with the independant drive.

Interesting, from the following Toolcat webpage : "Utilizing limited slip differentials in both the front and the rear of the Toolcat 5600 and 5610, the HTC drive system automatically manages the torque split between the high-traction and low-traction tires. If one wheel loses tractive effort, HTC ensures that the wheel with the most traction maintains the most torque without the need to engage any locks, buttons or levers."

Maximum Traction. Minimal Disturbance. - Toolcat 5600 and 5610 Utility Work Machines - Bobcat Company

DEWFPO

 

[trlbrkr]

Thread on D traction issues http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/toolcat/101249-4-wheel-drive.html

 

[Mtngrancher]

My dealer told me my 5600D LSDs do not work with 4 wheel steering engaged. For snow traction, I am putting on highly siped snow tires. We've had about 12" of snow so far, but it hasn't stuck around enough to push it or blow it. As soon as my roads freeze and I have snow to move, I'll report on the snow and ice traction without chains. Also a field test on traction with and without 4 wheel steering. I'm a TC rook. Cheers.

 

[timm9]

Interesting.... I have two TC's (B series) and have used the Locking Diff quite a few times. I will have to pay attention in the future to see if I was in AWS. The oldest TC has run through 3 full winters with chains and (knock on wood) I have never had any damage from broken chains which is not a uncommon occurance considering we run an area that has almost 200 miles of residential paved streets. Last winter alone I went through approximately 150 feet of hardened "cross" chain rebuilding the chains on the TC's. BTW, you can program the CPU to ingore the shift in traction if you so choose.

 

[odleefs]

The locking differential does not work in 4WS. And that is good b/c if it did, you would not steer very well!

 

[Navigator7]

The locking differential does not work in 4WS. And that is good b/c if it did, you would not steer very well!

Is not the ToolCat hydrostatic?
Each wheel driven by oil?

I don't think you could ask for any better traction if I am correct....

If I am wrong let me know. I wanna buy one of these things.

Nice signature, odleefs...Lmao!