My New Tow Rig!

[wallace]

Bird never took any of it the wrong way... besides it not like I had a say in the matter...Mrs Tractor said I LIKE THAT ONE!

And of coarse as the men that we are when our wifes say something we are just better agreeing.!

 

[Bird]

Bird; I have never seen someone fulltiming it have their own picnic table

You're right. That picture was made last Spring when he was on his way north. The owner of the RV park where he spends the winter mentioned last winter than he'd thought about buying some picnic tables, but they were just too expensive. So my brother bought the material and built that one for practice, then told the guy what he'd charge, per table, for labor and materials to build them, if the guy wanted them for the park. They never did reach an agreement, so he was taking that one to his son's place in Washington state. He also has that truck loaded with a smoker that he bought and was taking up there. And he had quite a load of mesquite and pecan wood to use for smoking meats, since he couldn't those two woods up there.

 

[JESSE1]

You're going to love the truck. I've had mine for a year and it's the best one I've ever owned. Just wait until you hook up a trailer and see how it handles it. The F-450 is a premier towing machine. They will definately tow a load. What my F-450 can't handle my '59 White can.

When the F-450 pickup first came out they offered the 4.88 axle ratio in the heavy towing package (33,000# GVWR). The 4.30 was rated (I think) for 29,000#GVWR. They later stopped offering the 4.88 and re-rated the 4.30 to 33,000#. The 6.4 doesn't need the 4.88's and the 4.30 ratio helps the mileage by keeping the engine revs down.

 

[JB4310]

Disregarding all other brand issues, reliability etc. etc. IMO I think the Ford style/looks are much better than the GM or even Dodge (which I own).
Nice Truck!
JB.

 

[Builder]

Yep, Ford definately looks more tough & macho.

 

[farmboy12]

Yea, Builder, he certainly took quite a step, GM>Ford.

Bet you can't wait to do that!


I believe GM has a better truck either way.


Kyle

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

Well Rick the resident experts (builder and the 13 year boy) signed off so I guess you can get it. I can't believe after having the best truck and engine in the universe you would take a huge step backwards lol. Anyways that's a great looking truck and you'll love it. Do you have a class a cdl? I was planning on getting the 450 but with the gvw or that rig and my trailer I'd be over 26k.

Matt T

 

[Builder]

whitehunter,
I guess the old saying is "turn the other cheek".
I just don't think I want that one slapped, too. Doesn't quite fit the holiday mood.


Rick,

Good luck with the new truck. My 450 was a good truck, just too small. Needed to go bigger.

BTW: Thanks for getting me the parts. The MT285 is starting to come together. Whew, those Challenger parts are starting to add up!!!

Have a great Thanksgiving.

 

[farmboy12]

Yea, Ford's a great truck, but we have our beliefs, you have yours. We could get into an argument of brands, but happens to often, so, let's just live our own lives and have a Happy Thanksgiving.


Kyle

 

[Dargo]

Yea, Ford's a great truck, but we have our beliefs, you have yours. We could get into an argument of brands, but happens to often, so, let's just live our own lives and have a Happy Thanksgiving.


Kyle

I gotta laugh because of my dad. You see, my dad and his dad only bought GM products no matter what. Even back in the dark days for them, my dad had a 1974 Chevy pickup that sat in a climate controlled carpeted garage and the rear bedsides rusted off of it is less than a year. Still, what did he do? He traded it for a 1976 that promptly did the same thing. Oh, I remember the verbal jousting with his friends who drove a, hold your ears son, (what I would hear) a Ford. He'd say that he'd take his truck out with the rust and all to haul their F(ound) O R(oad) D(ead) home for them anytime since at least his truck had a decent powertrain.

I'm the black sheep. I have Fords, Chevrolets, Dodges, and even Hondas (even though one is technically an Acura, I still call it a Honda). My dad may or may not ride in my Ford pickup. I think I'll try him out for Thanksgiving and ask him to ride with me to go pick up some more soda and see if he'll get in a Ford. I'm not sure he will....

Drive 'em till the wheels fall off of em! Happy Thanksgiving to all!!

 

[farmboy12]

As long as we're all happy with our trucks, we can live and eat in peace!


Kyle

 

[wallace]

I am not bias to any brand I own 3 f250's, 1 f650, 3 Gmc's, 2 Buick's, 1 Dodge,
3 Chevy's, and my wife's pos which I can hardly get in and out of
And now an F450

AND EVERYONE IS FOR SALE!

 

[wallace]

Well Rick the resident experts (builder and the 13 year boy) signed off so I guess you can get it. I can't believe after having the best truck and engine in the universe you would take a huge step backwards lol. Anyways that's a great looking truck and you'll love it. Do you have a class a cdl? I was planning on getting the 450 but with the gvw or that rig and my trailer I'd be over 26k.

Matt T

CDL...yes I have one but I don't need it for my 450.
I licenced it for 26k that keeps me under the CDL and under the fuel tax

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

CDL...yes I have one but I don't need it for my 450.
I licenced it for 26k that keeps me under the CDL and under the fuel tax

How is this possible? Isn't that gooseneck trailer 14k? And I believe the 450's are 14500 gvw right so you'd be 28500k truck and trailer. Are you saying your allowed in your state to derate the truck/trialer combo to under the 26k limit? If so we need that in CT since I'd be in the same boat if I bought a 350 drw at 13500k and my 14k trailer. I guess it really doesn't matter since you've got the cdl anyways.

Matt T.

 

[Builder]

How is this possible? Isn't that gooseneck trailer 14k? And I believe the 450's are 14500 gvw right so you'd be 30500k truck and trailer. Are you saying your allowed in your state to derate the truck/trialer combo to under the 26k limit? If so we need that in CT since I'd be in the same boat if I bought a 350 drw at 13500k and my 14k trailer. I guess it really doesn't matter since you've got the cdl anyways.

Matt T.

Matt T.,

14K & 14,500 would actually be 28,500, not 30,500

Yes, you can derate your trailer to, for one example, 11K with a 15K F-450 and be at 26,000 and not require a CDL. Thats exactly what I did with my old F-450.

 

[George2615]

How is this possible? Isn't that gooseneck trailer 14k? And I believe the 450's are 14500 gvw right so you'd be 30500k truck and trailer. Are you saying your allowed in your state to derate the truck/trialer combo to under the 26k limit? If so we need that in CT since I'd be in the same boat if I bought a 350 drw at 13500k and my 14k trailer. I guess it really doesn't matter since you've got the cdl anyways.

Matt T.

I have attached license explanations for NY and PA. Each state varies slightly as you can see by noting a difference in the NY and PA class B license.

A) In NY and PA a class B license can drive a single unit truck over 26,000lb.
B) In NY and PA a class B license can tow vehicles with a GVWR of 10,000lb or less.
C) In NY a class B license may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000lb. providing the GCWR is not more than 26,000lb. Note that PA does not have this clause according to their website.
Perhaps PA has adopted this clause since put on the web.
D) a class A license for NY and PA seems to be the same for tractor-trailer or truck-trailer and is for a GCWR of more than 26,000lb providing the GVWR or GCWR of the vehicle being towed is more than 10,000lb.

There are also various restriction codes and endorsements that vary by state.

I logged onto the CT. DMV site and they are similar to PA. Tried to edit my post to include that but I couldn't add that attachment. Either way, a class A CDL is good for over 26,000 and trailer over 10,000.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

Matt T.,

14K & 14,500 would actually be 28,500, not 30,500

Yes, you can derate your trailer to, for one example, 11K with a 15K F-450 and be at 26,000 and not require a CDL. Thats exactly what I did with my old F-450.

What a complete brain fart. I knew that didn't sound right. My point was still valid as he'd be over 26k.

Matt T.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

I have attached license explanations for NY and PA. Each state varies slightly as you can see by noting a difference in the NY and PA class B license.

A) In NY and PA a class B license can drive a single unit truck over 26,000lb.
B) In NY and PA a class B license can tow vehicles with a GVWR of 10,000lb or less.
C) In NY a class B license may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000lb. providing the GCWR is not more than 26,000lb. Note that PA does not have this clause according to their website.
Perhaps PA has adopted this clause since put on the web.
D) a class A license for NY and PA seems to be the same for tractor-trailer or truck-trailer and is for a GCWR of more than 26,000lb providing the GVWR or GCWR of the vehicle being towed is more than 10,000lb.

There are also various restriction codes and endorsements that vary by state.

I logged onto the CT. DMV site and they are similar to PA. Tried to edit my post to include that but I couldn't add that attachment. Either way, a class A CDL is good for over 26,000 and trailer over 10,000.

I understand but that's exactly my point. A cdl is required for a 450 with a 14k trailer unless your able to derate the truck/trailer under 26k. I do not have a cdl and was aware of the combine weight clause of 26k.

Matt T.

 

[KHNewman]

Wallace - do you mind me asking what you paid ballpark? I am just starting too look at new vehicles and that exact truck is on my short list.

The financing rates are real tempting and I hear the dealer incentives are over 10K.

 

[wallace]

Sticker on my truck was a little over $59,000
I paid $46,691. plus I added the navagation which my dealer did not order in on this truck he took it out of another truck and installed it into mine and that was $1,800
I thought interest rates were better than what they are but leaving my Chevy's interest rate at 7.9% and going into a 5.4% I thought that was good enought to get a new truck.

One thing that I found out is at least in our state the dealer is allowed to charge 2% more on the rate, my dealer did not do that because he was trying to get me to buy the Ford over the Gmc that I looked at.
Another thing DO NOT USE FORD CREDIT!! the dealer advertises a $500 discount for Ford credit...but then they charge you 8 plus %
Go to a dealer that wants your business.

My dealer gave me the first service free and a rental car free of charge while the truck is in warranty.