CK30/l3400 pricing

[canoetrpr]

Yes you are right. I did not compare the specs closely enough. The 3pt cap. on the CK30 is definitely higher by a reasonable margin.

I find it interesting that loader capacities are nearly equally matched. On the backhoe, the L3400's backhoe has a higher bucket digging force (about 25%).

The DK45 is really best compared to the GL4740. I haven't compared their specs but I know that the DK has a beast of a loader that outspecs all others in its class.

Overall, I'm in agreement that the Kioti's are offering excellent value over Kubota's. With a $3 K in savings, and what seems like a decent dealer locally, the OP definitely made a good choice.

 

[Gittyup]

One thing that is interesting is that the Kubota loader cycle times are much faster. Not sure why this is.

There are a couple of Kioti backhoes, where they have upgraded to the new curved arm loaders. Haven't really looked at them. I opted for a different make loader when I bought: Rhino 75. One or two users were having trouble with the Kioti at the time. So, that's why I went Rhino. It's been good so far.

Everyone raves about the Woods backhoe, which can also be had for the Kioti.

It's seems these tractors from all manufacturer's kinda interleave in capability and size. Guess that's deliberate. But, it's good for the buyer. He can find what fits his needs best without much worry about quality. Not unlike cars, these days just about everyone is making a good product.

 

[jimmyj]

Congrats and "Welcome to the pack"

What exactly did you get? The CK 30 I assume with a loader?

 

[a.p.]

I ended up with a CK30 HST with a QA loader with bucket and forks, rear remote, bucket hooks, rear worklight, and a 6' rear discharge finishing mower.

I'll buy a 6' blower for it next summer.

I already have a 5' rotary cutter, ballast box, and PH auger.

Come on Spring.

 

[canoetrpr]

a.p. Well done! Post us some pictures when you get your rig.

 

[canoetrpr]

Btw a.p.

I'd appreciate if you could me know (or post) what you were being quoted for the L3400 HST with a loader.

Just trying to keep abreast of local pricing for my rig. As you know, prices have moved around a bit with the exchange rate.

 

[a.p.]

Btw a.p.

I'd appreciate if you could me know (or post) what you were being quoted for the L3400 HST with a loader.

Just trying to keep abreast of local pricing for my rig. As you know, prices have moved around a bit with the exchange rate.

How do I pm you this info?

 

[canoetrpr]

Click on my username on the left. It will display a menu one item on which is to send a pm.

 

[warhammer]

I was down to either a Kubota L4400 or a Kioti DK45SE last summer.
I went for the Kioti even though the Kubota dealer was 30-40 miles closer.
Both tractors have a reputation for reliability. Kioti has been in the US for some 20 years or so I believe.
Better price, features that were standard on the Kioti that were extra on the Kubota, better loader performance and a more modern design were the reasons.
I do not have a truck/trailer large enough to tow either tractor so I purchased a shop manual with the intent to do all of the scheduled maintenance and avoid having a dealer pickup for service.

Warhammer

Wow thanks for the speedy response.

You don't have concerns about the fact that Kioti is a much more recent entry into the North American market e.g. warranty, parts availability, dealer network, etc.?

 

[IslandTractor]

Some other suggestions:
- Get two remotes on the CK30 installed as part of the deal. When you are making the whole deal is the best time to negotiate this stuff in. It will cost you a lot less right now and you will be thankful in the future.
- Get a hydraulic top link - either get the dealer to get you one, or order one from CCM. This is the BEST money you will spend. After having gotten both top n tilt, I would not spend the money on the sidelink again. I reallly don't use it at all.
- Get a sunshade canopy worked into the deal and some work lights installed (two front and two rear) on a separate circuit.
- Get three chain hooks welded onto the bucket.
- Get a Pat's

Good advice. I'd add that getting the rear tires loaded by the dealer at time of purchase will also save you hassle and $$.

 

[IslandTractor]

Regarding Kubota GL3240 vs CK30. The proper comparison I think would be the GL vs the Kioti DK35se. The DK line is a bit bigger and featured more like the Kubota GL line. Kubota has the more sophisticated transmission and the Kioti has more HP (38) but I think they are pretty close pricewise.

 

[canoetrpr]

I agree that the DKs compare best to the GLs. I'm willing to bet that in a few years, Kioti too will be offering the advanced HST transmissions like the HST+ and the eHydro on the JD.

I would really like to see Kioti do more on cabs on their smaller tractors. I think that the CK line would benefit a lot from the availabilty of a factory cab. I think that the cab on the DK40/45se is a great addition to that line.

 

[IslandTractor]

I agree that the DKs compare best to the GLs. I'm willing to bet that in a few years, Kioti too will be offering the advanced HST transmissions like the HST+ and the eHydro on the JD..

Kioti seems to be following the Hyundai business model for copying/competing with the front runner Japanese companies so I think you are right. I think I'll order myself a Kioti Genesis as soon as they get the iPod properly integrated with the HST.

 

[Dmace]

Granted, the HST+ looks like an intelligent system with ease of use but the thing I love about tractors is their simplicity. The HST pump is controlled by a motor that is controlled by the ECU which gets it's signal from the HST pedal and range shifter. There are way too many things that can go wrong with that and a simple wire short or ECU failure would stop the tractor in it's tracks and render it useless. No Thanks, I like having my pedal connected directly to the HST. No computer telling me how to drive...

 

[a.p.]

Granted, the HST+ looks like an intelligent system with ease of use but the thing I love about tractors is their simplicity. The HST pump is controlled by a motor that is controlled by the ECU which gets it's signal from the HST pedal and range shifter. There are way too many things that can go wrong with that and a simple wire short or ECU failure would stop the tractor in it's tracks and render it useless. No Thanks, I like having my pedal connected directly to the HST. No computer telling me how to drive...

I'm with you on that. The lack of complexity is one of the reasons that I like these tractors better than the L series or JD3x20 series machines - although, honestly, price was a bigger factor for my decision.

While I'm sure that the e hydro is fantastic, I do wonder what happens when a circuit board blows in 11 years time. I'm fairly certain that I'll still be able to get hydraulic lines and valves then - they are universal. But circuit boards for out of date applications...???

 

[IslandTractor]

I do wonder what happens when a circuit board blows in 11 years time. I'm fairly certain that I'll still be able to get hydraulic lines and valves then - they are universal. But circuit boards for out of date applications...???

I don't work for JD or Kubota but if I were in their shoes I'd just order an extra couple of thousand circuit boards at about $2 each and let them sit in the warehouse for 10 years so I could sell them for $200 each. Not a bad return on investment. Mercedes and Volvo figured out that strategy a long time ago.

 

[canoetrpr]

While there is a certain advantage to simplicity which will help keep a tractor going for many years, a lot also has to do with how established the brand and parts support for the brand is, and more importantly how popular a particular model is and how much part reuse is done within the brand.

There will be LOTS of JDs with eHydro and Kubota's with HST+ for many years to come. For as long as they will be in service, there will be value for JD an Kubota to keep making the parts and heck even if they stop, there are enough of these machines out there that the demand for parts will end up creating a supply.

I don't forsee any problem with parts availabilty for any really popular model for any major brand. Personally I think that the popularity of the indvidual model has to do more with it than the brand itself - JMHO. Your best insurance is to buy a tractor model which is very very popular rather than one that caters to a fringe of buyers.

 

[DK35vince]

I agree that the DKs compare best to the GLs. I'm willing to bet that in a few years, Kioti too will be offering the advanced HST transmissions like the HST+ and the eHydro on the JD.

I would like to see Kioti offer a power shift type transmission ( ability to foward/reverse without clutching) like many of the other Mfg. do.

 

[Dmace]

I would like to see Kioti offer a power shift type transmission ( ability to foward/reverse without clutching) like many of the other Mfg. do.

I am still relatively new to the tractor world but isn't that what a Shuttle Shift transmission is for, shifting to a higher/lower gear while moving with no clutch and can shift between forward/reverse while stopped with no clutch...?

 

[Gittyup]

There is no inherent reason for electronics to not last 20 - 30 years or longer. If properly handled and protected from ESD damage, assembled to high standards, and used without being subjected to harmful outside influences, they should last for maybe a hundred years. After all, they have no moving parts and nothing to wear out. If they don't fail due to a latent manufacturing defect, then they will generally only fail if damaged by outside causes (e.g. electrical faults in other connected devices).

So, after the first few years, an ehydro or HST+ is no more likely to fail than that mechanical linkage. Of course you can see a linkage failure. Problem with electroncs is that they can be much harder to diagnose, especially since schematics are often weak. That said, simpler is almost always more reliable in total.