Generator Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator??

   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #41  
I have a pair of 3600W Xantrex power inverters that slave together to create a 7200W, 240V/120V power inverter. I have two deep cycle batteries running the inverters. In an emergency, I can run my furnace, water pump, refrigerator, and freezer for about 8 hours on a charge. I have an old (circa 1986) 6KW Onan Diesel generator (1800 RPM) that will outlive any box store generator; paid $400 gov't surplus for it. I can use that to recharge the batteries, and provide power during the recharge for heavier loads if needed. This way, I can have continuous power, but only need to run the generator 1/2 the time.

I'm also building a 24V DC (my inverters are 24V) generator using a Humvee alternator, and a 4HP Yanmar single-cylinder air-cooled diesel engine. When that is done, I can charge the batteries on the inverters on about .1gal/hour, and can provide about 2KW of continuous power, letting the batteries provide the juice for the larger intermittent loads like the well pump. With being able to turn it (generator) completely, I can have continuous emergency power on about 1.5 to 2 gal of diesel per day (which I can get out of my 500gal fuel-oil tank). Fuel consumption is much more than just an issue of cost, it is an issue of supply. If you can't buy fuel, and you only have 10 gal on hand, a setup like mine will go for 5 days on that.

With either generator setup, I can also keep the heat (+fridge+freezer) going through the night w/o having a noisy generator running, and attracting would-be thieves who may not have planned ahead for the emergency.

I definitely would say, buy a used high-quality diesel generator like an Onan, or one of the many Kubota or Yanmar-powered ones for a little more money than a cheap box-store gasoline powered unit. Diesel stores much better, and diesel engines are much more likely to start after sitting for a long time. Plus, most of the diesel engines on these generators oil filtration, and can go 100 hours between changes, not 25 like the cheap gas-powered units (yes, my friends, you read that right, you need to change the oil DAILY on those).

This brings up another topic -- no matter what your generator type, in addition to fuel, keep oil on hand for those oil changes, be it a stand alone or your tractor, you'll need to change the oil every 1-4 days of operation. If things are that bad, you might not be able to get out to buy it, or stores may not be open to sell it.

Also, when selecting a generator, not matter what type, don't buy one bigger than your needs. All AC generators except the more expensive inverter type need to run a full speed (RPM's), either 1800 or 3600 RPM depending on whether it has a 4-pole or 2-pole alternator. This is required to have the proper 60 Hz (1500/3000 RPM and 50 Hz for those in most of the rest of the world). Most generators will consume nearly 1/2 the full-power fuel usage just to run at this speed with no load. A 5 KW gas-powered generator uses a minimum of 1/2gal/hour. A 15 KW gas-powered generator (largest that I've seen at the box stores) will use minimum 1 1/2 gal/hour -- thats 36 GAL per DAY if you running all day! Thus, if you are trying to keep your house heated, and food from spoiling, you'll want the smallest one that can pull the load, or maybe a small one for these loads, and a larger one to run any intermittent heavy loads that you don't need all day (like maybe the electric water heater), or for those in hotter climates, AC during the post-hurricane power outage).
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #42  
I have a pair of 3600W Xantrex power inverters that slave together to create a 7200W, 240V/120V power inverter. I have two deep cycle batteries running the inverters. In an emergency, I can run my furnace, water pump, refrigerator, and freezer for about 8 hours on a charge.

Sounds like a marine set up. What type of batteries and inverter are you using. I'd imagine you have at least a few golf cart batteries and a pretty heavy duty inverter to run all that equipment. How much did that cost and how often do you need to replace the batteries?
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #43  
Sounds like a marine set up. What type of batteries and inverter are you using. I'd imagine you have at least a few golf cart batteries and a pretty heavy duty inverter to run all that equipment. How much did that cost and how often do you need to replace the batteries?

I was thinking the same thing, big batteries, like forktruck sized batteries.

I've thought of a set up like that to augment the heat and power at my house, use solar or wind to charge the batteries and then use the power to heat at night, maybe every third day or something of the sort.

Joel
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #44  
I bought one of the Chinese knock-off generators at Lowes when we had an ice storm a few weeks ago. First one started great, but after about 3 minutes of running, the engine wires started melting. I returned it and got a second one. It started sluggishly, I took it to be a weak battery. I put my battery pack on it, but it was still slow, but I got it started. Put 12 hours on it over 2 days and used about 3 gallons of fuel. I then put the battery charger on it, that helped some with its starting issue, but it still didn't start as good as the first one. I took it back. I've now got one of the ones from Eastern Tools on order from Tooltopia on order for $900. It is on back order until April 1. I'm also considering going ahead and getting a true standby generator at Home Depot. They had one in there last week for $3500 and I had a 10% off coupon.;)


Mine came w/o battery and I didn't see any battery cables in any of the packaging so I bought two cables and a battery series 51NF. I had to modify the battery tray, spread the end edges slightly, and get longer J bolts to hold the battery in. After I got it installed and was looking at it a few days later, I found the battery cables on the frame below the battery. The battery is a lot heavier than the one that fits the tray, but when it's cold, it really cranks well, just turn the key on and hold the green heat button for about 10 seconds and it fires right up, even when cold out.
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #45  
I have a pair of 3600W Xantrex power inverters that slave together to create a 7200W, 240V/120V power inverter.

Sorry, I see you did post the type of inverters. Any reason you decided to use two smaller rather than one larger inverter? Can you get 240v and 120v simultaneously with your set up?
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #46  
I have an old (circa 1986) 6KW Onan Diesel generator (1800 RPM) that will outlive any box store generator; paid $400 gov't surplus for it...

Plus, most of the diesel engines on these generators oil filtration, and can go 100 hours between changes, not 25 like the cheap gas-powered units (yes, my friends, you read that right, you need to change the oil DAILY on those).

Wow, your Onan must be completely rebuilt with a new generator head on it. I have 2 of the orange 6KW 2 cylinder Onan generators. They leak oil like crazy, make as much noise as a freight train and put out terribly 'dirty' power. I happily sold both during our last power outage due to the ice storm. I had stainless steel half barrel beer barrels for fuel supplies and 2X2" square tubing with wheels on each. They were okay back in their day, mostly designed to run lighting, but are incapable of running any modern electronics.

I don't know where you get 25 hour oil changes on gas units either. :confused: I can post pages from my Honda generator and my Yamaha powered generator and they both have 100 hour oil change intervals. The very first oil change is due much sooner due to the break in process, but after that it's 100 hours for standard oil and 200 hours for PAO synthetics. My Honda generator ran 24/7 for almost 14 days straight and would run right at 14 hours per tank of fuel. I only shut it down to refill the fuel and check the oil (which it never used any). I did go ahead and change the oil at about 100 hours. It took all of 3 or 4 minutes to change.

I think you're a bit overboard on busting the guy's chops who had to buy some sort of generator in recent disasters. I'm sure there may be some completely junk Chinese made generators that don't run well, won't last long and put out as dirty of a power supply as my old Onan diesels, but it would be the exception rather than the rule. I'm 100% certain that I upgraded in generators from the old Onan diesel. BTW, if you need parts for the 6KW Onan 2 cylinder diesel generators, I have almost enough spare parts to build another one sans the block. They were good in their day, but they were only designed to put out power clean enough to run light stands. One of mine came off a road construction site and the other out of a Peabody coal mine. Since they were at auction, I bought plenty of spare parts. Unfortunately, with today's finicky electronics, they aren't that useful for me.

Hey, I just noticed that I had a good head for one sitting in my garage. Look familiar? This is a good head with the heating grid for one of those Onan generators.
 

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   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #47  
As others have mentioned and for the same reasons, I have a stand alone generator because when we have power outages it is usually storm related and I need the tractor free for cleanup/snow removal.
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #48  
1*This brings up another topic -- no matter what your generator type, in addition to fuel, keep oil on hand for those oil changes, be it a stand alone or your tractor, you'll need to change the oil every 1-4 days of operation. If things are that bad, you might not be able to get out to buy it, or stores may not be open to sell it.
2* A 5 KW gas-powered generator uses a minimum of 1/2 gal / hour.
A 15 KW gas-powered generator (largest that I've seen at the box stores) will use minimum 1 1/2 gal/hour -- that's 36 GAL per DAY if you running all day!
1*Never though about the oil situation.
Good observation
2*So how much extra fuel should a person have on hand for this?
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #49  
1*Never though about the oil situation.
Good observation
2*So how much extra fuel should a person have on hand for this?

I keep 30 to 40 gallon of fuel at all times, because you never know what is going to happen with the electric.
 
   / Chinese diesel genset, or PTO generator?? #50  
As others have mentioned and for the same reasons, I have a stand alone generator because when we have power outages it is usually storm related and I need the tractor free for cleanup/snow removal.

I like a stand alone setting in the garage next to the fuse panel all wired up ready to go,
In the event of a power failure just hit the starter an flip the switch and you're off.
No digging out a Gen.
No digging out the tractor
No hooking up the Gen to the tractor.
No trying to get everything up and going out in the cold wind rain or snow.
 
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