Re: Project PT-1850

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 15, 2009

Re: Project PT-1850

Well heres what's become of that PT-1850 that was on ebay a few weeks ago.

If it's Farmington Hills Township, than me and my uncle will go check it out, providing all the Hydraulics and Pumps work (emailed the seller, hasn't got back to me yet)
Just keeping anyone interested updated.

Marks481 · Apr 16, 2009

Re: Project PT-1850

That is a very nice looking cab design. PT should think about a commercial option like that.

$9k is a steal; although I am wondering why it is missing the quick-attach plate (and I am assuming associated hydraulic locking cylinders).

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 16, 2009

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Whoops didn't know the link wasn't allowed. Sorry

If you want to see it go to eBay and search Power Trac 1850.
Seller still hasn't gotten back to me yet

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 16, 2009

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Tim_in_CT said:
That is a very nice looking cab design. PT should think about a commercial option like that.

$9k is a steal; although I am wondering why it is missing the quick-attach plate (and I am assuming associated hydraulic locking cylinders).

Also the Cab has A/C which is a big plus. Especially here in Michigan.
It may be a 1990s machine with the 3pt Hitch setup or maybe the plate's just gone.
Either way if we buy it, It's gettting that plate put on it. We'd also get the Dual Wheels for it but would only use them if when we needed them.

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 16, 2009

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Well I gots some good news.
I just got off the phone with the seller.
The 1850 is a 1997 Model with an aftermarket Cab (Unknown Brand). It was used by a Municipality and Rolled Over into a Lake (unknown why). They were going to scrap it but he bought it as a project. During the snow we got here a few weeks ago, he and his friend rebuilt it. It now Runs and the hydraulics and pumps work fine. He's taking it to get it repaired (engine smokes. Gonna replace injectors) I'm going Saturday with my uncle to check it out. I'll have some good video afterwards.

So this would be a great buy!

I think for $9,500 it is a steal!

Marks481 · Apr 16, 2009

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ToolcatWonka5610 said:
Rolled Over into a Lake (unknown why)

Probably mowing across a 35 degree slope...

Dualies might be a good idea.

It would be ineresting to know the manufacturer of the cab, since it was obviously custom made for the PT (there is no way a generac cab would be designed to accomodate the articulating motion).

MossRoad · Apr 17, 2009

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Some words of caution to you...

Rolled over.
In a lake.
No quick attach system.
12 years old with only 112 hours on it.

I'll bow out of this conversation at this point. Just be cautious about this purchase and really think it through.

SnowRidge · Apr 17, 2009

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ToolcatWonka5610 said:
t now Runs and the hydraulics and pumps work fine.

I would ask how he tested the system. Without a load, the pumps may appear to work fine yet be nearly dead.

Bob999 · Apr 17, 2009

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ToolcatWonka5610 said:
Also the Cab has A/C which is a big plus. Especially here in Michigan.
It may be a 1990s machine with the 3pt Hitch setup or maybe the plate's just gone.
Either way if we buy it, It's gettting that plate put on it. We'd also get the Dual Wheels for it but would only use them if when we needed them.

I can't quantify my comment but it seems to me that the installation of a cab and mounting an AC system on top of the cab will adversly change the slope capabilities of the tractor--perhaps that's why a tractor that in factory stock condition is rated to work on a 45 degree slope rolled into a body of water. I am also confident that the tractor slope cababilites are nowhere near 45 degrees with the single tire configuration now being offered by the seller.

I second the comments above that you really need to think about what you need and then objectively satisfy yourself that what you plan to buy meets the need. While $9500 is a lot less than the list price of a new tractor it is still a significant amount of money--particularly if it turns that the best use is scrap.

ernemats · Apr 17, 2009

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On power trac's used equipment web site there is another 1850 listed for sale in Arkansas for $3000. no pictures shown yet.

Marks481 · Apr 17, 2009

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MossRoad said:
12 years old with only 112 hours on it.

That kinda caught my eye too.

Maybe like a odometer that rolls over at 99000 to 00000?

Reminds me of my 1978 Audi Fox that I bought in college (in 1990). It only had 76000 miles on it... I didn't notice for almost a year (duhh) that the odometer actually said 276000 miles. Still was a great car except for the leaking back window and it's refusal to start whenever I went out on a date.

RegL · Apr 17, 2009

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Tim_in_CT said:
Probably mowing across a 35 degree slope...

Dualies might be a good idea.

It would be ineresting to know the manufacturer of the cab, since it was obviously custom made for the PT (there is no way a generac cab would be designed to accomodate the articulating motion).

The MDC in Barkhamsted, CT has an after market cab on their 1850 also. Their web site does not say who built it.Barkhamsted Historical Society

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 17, 2009

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SnowRidge said:
I would ask how he tested the system. Without a load, the pumps may appear to work fine yet be nearly dead.

SnowRidge I think that he did use test it under load. I haven't asked about that (yet). I'd say he did use it because a few weeks ago it had 94 hours on it. Now it's got 112. I don't think he put 18 hours on it just running it around. Tomorrow me and my uncle are going to go see it. Then, I'll ask the heck out of him.

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 17, 2009

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RegL said:
The MDC in Barkhamsted, CT has an after market cab on their 1850 also. Their web site does not say who built it.Barkhamsted Historical Society

Thanks very much RegL! I've been wanting to see one with a Cab on it in action. I must say thats one good looking machine!

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 17, 2009

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ernemats said:
On power trac's used equipment web site there is another 1850 listed for sale in Arkansas for $3000. no pictures shown yet.

I saw that one too. It's probably either in bad shape, or high hours, or both.
But I was thinking about this today. You guys know what would be cool?
A PT-1850 with a 60-65hp Cummins Diesel (I already know PT made a 418 with an 18hp Cummins)

I don't wanna try it I just think it would be really cool. Cummins Diesels that size are TRUE Diesel engines.

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 17, 2009

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Tim_in_CT said:
and it's refusal to start whenever I went out on a date.

LOL

Oh that sucks.

SnowRidge · Apr 18, 2009

Re: Project PT-1850

ToolcatWonka5610 said:
SnowRidge I think that he did use test it under load. I haven't asked about that (yet). I'd say he did use it because a few weeks ago it had 94 hours on it. Now it's got 112. I don't think he put 18 hours on it just running it around. Tomorrow me and my uncle are going to go see it. Then, I'll ask the heck out of him.

In a lot of cases, the hour meter is simply connected to the ignition switch. Leaving the switch on while you are working on the machine will run up the hours even if the engine isn't running. If the 1850's hour meter is of this type, it could just be from them working on the machine, or simply forgetting to turn it off.

The tram (drive) pump needs to be tested under load, too. That means towing something heavy around or climbing up a steep hill, both of which are substitutes for a real pressure test, which would be the best choice.

Bob999 · Apr 18, 2009

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SnowRidge said:
In a lot of cases, the hour meter is simply connected to the ignition switch. Leaving the switch on while you are working on the machine will run up the hours even if the engine isn't running. If the 1850's hour meter is of this type, it could just be from them working on the machine, or simply forgetting to turn it off.

I think that SnowRidge is correct. The electrical diagram that came with my machine is dated 1996 and is labeled as applying to both the 1845 and 1850.

On the diagram the hour meter is connected to the Accessory lug on the ignition switch.

ToolcatWonka5610 · Apr 18, 2009

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Well were going to check it out today (if he's still got it) and well ask him lots of questions.
I'll be back later with pictures and video.

Charlie_Iliff · Apr 18, 2009

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ToolcatWonka5610 said:
I saw that one too. It's probably either in bad shape, or high hours, or both.
But I was thinking about this today. You guys know what would be cool?
A PT-1850 with a 60-65hp Cummins Diesel (I already know PT made a 418 with an 18hp Cummins)

I don't wanna try it I just think it would be really cool. Cummins Diesels that size are TRUE Diesel engines.

I think I could come up with a fairly long list of TRUE diesels. Since getting the PT, however, I've seldom dreamed of repowering it with a Lister CS, or Packard-diesel from the Bellanca Pacemaker. (My Bellanca had a Franklin 150 gas engine.) The first time I changed a filter on the 1845 and the Deutz started up without bleeding the injectors, Deutz went to the top of my TRUE diesel list.