Homemade Pool Heater

   / Homemade Pool Heater #21  
Well i have an electric pool heater, it heats it very well, the water is between 86 and 90 degrees.......but yes it's electric........so the bill is a little higher but then again without it, no swim, too cold of a summer, at least we can swim when we want! But I do want to add the roof top pvc coil pipe with a pump to see if it makes a difference..
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #22  
:)
I can't take all the credit for this, my wife saw this design being used for heating a hot tub.

In Alberta our pool is only up for a couple of months. Last year the pool did not warm up at all. The 19000 Liters stayed cold until we drained it.

This coil is made up of 100 feet of 1/2" copper tubing with hose ends attached. Hook it up to the pool with a utility pump, place the coil over a fire, the fire heats up the water in the coil and passes it back to the pool.

The water coming into the pool was about hot enough not to put your hand under it for very long.

It heated the pool in about 8 hours and it is staying warm.

Ivan

Wow ,
I think I may add a iron pipe system in the fire box to my BBQ smoker
I made last year out of a 500 gal tank when we smoke meat it should heat the pool
how many times a week or month did you run the heater to keep the pool warm ?. I smoke BBQ about two times a month using wood I cut from
down trees .
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater
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#23  
:)

Wow ,
I think I may add a iron pipe system in the fire box to my BBQ smoker
I made last year out of a 500 gal tank when we smoke meat it should heat the pool
how many times a week or month did you run the heater to keep the pool warm ?. I smoke BBQ about two times a month using wood I cut from
down trees .

So far to warm it up it took about 8 hours of burning wood. I did modify it a little by placing it on a fit pit so it is closer to the flames.

It looses a couple of degrees per day, so every 3-4 days I turn it on.

As a side note, watch the hoses...my older kids were playing in the pool and accidently knocked the hose out of the pool. 3 hours later we found the hose watering the grass...we lost about 6" of water in the pool. We did not have a fire going, just using it to circulate the water (it still pumps in luke warm water just running through the hoses that are out in the sun).

Ivan
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #24  
About 2 years ago my hot water heater went out and I was still single. and my hot water heater burner went out in the middle of winter. I heat with a big ashley wood heater an had seen a stainless steel hicoil tube that installs into a heater for heating a remote room or domestic water. While parts were comming for my water heater i tired the cold shower one time and couldnt take it. I remembered this conversion so I went out to my piles of junk around the shop and came up with a nice 3/8ths copper tube from a water cooler unit. It had a steel pipe support through it. and I adapted it up to fit a garden hose. I made a handle to hold it into the heater and would turn the hose on and fill my bath up. id lay the coil in the heater and throw in a half load of kildried cabinet shop scraps and let it fire up good. Im working on a way to heat my green house beds this way to.
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #25  
No personal experience here, but a cousin in Minnesota built one for his pool.
He used a barrel stove kit installed on a 30 gallon drum. He installed this inside of a 55 gallon drum. He then took some corrugated stainless steel gas line and removed the jacket. He installed the coil in the gap between the drums, he also put sand in the space as he installed the pipe.
He said it works well. I would think it may work better if you used half of a 30gallon drum split lengthwise for the floor. Assemble it the same way but your pipe would be exposed to the flame on the top half of the stove.

Mark
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #26  
I wanted to make one of these. I could burn car tires, plastic McDonalds spoons, and Dunkin Donuts Napkins.
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #27  
It takes 400,000 BTU to raise the temperature of 5000 gallons of water 10F. In a perfect world, you would be getting all the heat out of the wood burnt(about 8000 BTU per LB). So for a 10F rise over 8 hours, that is about 50,000 BTU/HR or at 100% efficiency 6.25 pounds of wood per hour. this of course is not accounting for the losses in heat thru the pool walls and especially thru evaporation(probably the largest heat loss).

I don't think that heater shown is very efficient. It needs fins on the pipe to increase the surface area. It needs something to trap and slow the heat as it passes the tubes. It could also probably use something inside the pipe to cause turbulence and break up the laminar flow that occurs inside the pipe. This flow acts like water in a wetsuit and insulates the inner cool water in the flow from the heated surface. this slows heat transfer. The corrigated stainless gas pipe might work better for this as it has more surface area and a rough iner surface.. As already mentioned clorinated pool water and copper don't play well together.
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #28  
hi Ivan1547, Great Idea!

Well, my use for the coiled copper tubing is reversed. I have 50' of 1/2" copper tubing plumed into a refrigerator that is used as my compressed air dryer. Very humid here, and dry compressed air is important for many jobs.

Good Luck, Stay Warm
Rhett

Not to Hi-Jack this thread..... But, could you elaborate on your air dryer set-up. Is it as simple as a coil of tubing in a refrigerator? There must be some sort of drain right? I like the idea and want to understand how you did it.

Thanks!!
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #29  
A neighbor of mine put up a above ground pool a few weeks ago and when I was preparing the site for him with my tractor I came up with the idea of putting 3/4" pex in a continuous loop on top of the soil prior to putting the sand down. He runs it off his wood burning outside boiler. When the pool was filled the water was 68 deg and he brought the temp up to 86 deg in 2 days. We were both really impressed. Works alot like radiant floor heat and the sand really holds the heat well and transfers it well. Anyone who has ever walked on the beach in Florida.

Chris
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #30  
Not to Hi-Jack this thread..... But, could you elaborate on your air dryer set-up. Is it as simple as a coil of tubing in a refrigerator? There must be some sort of drain right? I like the idea and want to understand how you did it.

Thanks!!

yes, it is that simple, even a length of air hose will work. There is an Air Filter/Moisture Separator (with auto drain) after the air cooling. Commercial Air Dryers use the same principle, they are specifically designed for the application though. My setup allows for Cold Beer too !!!, even Ice for mixed drinks. Mentioning Ice, my first setup was using an Ice Chest, kinda a pain refreshing the Ice supply every 30 minutes, so I graduated to the refridge. Thinking of adding a pre-surge section of pipe in the freezer part to help cooling for bigger jobs, like sand blasting. Cooling dramatically improves the moisture separation process, Auto drain moisture separators are highly recommended, but at least One In-Line moisture separator is required. A good filter near the work is still recommended too. Good clean dry air is achieved through a system of several components.

Sorry, for the Thread Hi-Jack, but many ideas do help with projects even if the subject strays a little. Hot vs Cold / Water vs Air
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #31  
A neighbor of mine put up a above ground pool a few weeks ago and when I was preparing the site for him with my tractor I came up with the idea of putting 3/4" pex in a continuous loop on top of the soil prior to putting the sand down. He runs it off his wood burning outside boiler. When the pool was filled the water was 68 deg and he brought the temp up to 86 deg in 2 days. We were both really impressed. Works alot like radiant floor heat and the sand really holds the heat well and transfers it well. Anyone who has ever walked on the beach in Florida.

Chris

That would work, unfortunatly he is also pumping a lot of heat into the ground. Thermal transfer is always from warm to cold, and the earth below and around the pipes is always going to be cooler than the pool above. Foam sheets under the pipes would make it a lot more effective by lessening the path to the earth heat sink and forcing more heat toward the pool.

Insulation makes a big difference. We switched to a new above ground pool this year. We had one of the 12' quickset pools with the inflatable collar(big bag of water) and I have a sandy circle I prepared to set it up on. Well that pool had come collar issues that I couldn't resolve so we got a new pool with a frame. Didn't want to waste the prepped water in the old pool so I set the new one up right next to the old on an unimproved surface(grass). I was worried about the bottom, so I layed out some 1" thick white styrofoam sheets that I had in my barn(six 4' x 8' sheets). This pool is the same diameter and nearly twice as deep(2200 gallons). I have a 4'X10' poly solar collector I float on top of the pool to add some heat(pump pushes water thru small tubes). This is the same heater I used on the old pool to add heat during sunny days. I am also using a clear sheet of visqueen layed out on the waters surface to control evaporation, the same as I did on the old pool. I was very pleasantly surprised that this new pool has easilly been running 10-12F warmer than the old pool ever did. I kan't hardly keep the grandkids out of it as it is warm enough for them to stay a very long time. I think this is mainly due to the foam underneath. It also makes a real nice soft bottom...

In my opinion, the only cost effective way to heat a pool is with solar heat. I just got the material for an inexpensive solar experiment that will set on my roof. Well inexpensive because I already have the pump to be able to pump water that high. It will have about 120 SQ/FT of collector surface, so we will see if that will extend our pool season a little bit.

Wood heat will work, and that same 50# of wood over an 8 hour period would raise my pool temp more than a 5K gallon pool, but that is still a lot of wood and a lot of work to prep and keep it fired and heating properly. I think a wood fired hot tub would be a lot more practical:) With good boiler efficiency, It would take about 18# of wood to get a 250 gallon hot tub from 40F to 100F A 50KBTU pellet fired boiler would do that in about 2.5 hours, and be fire and forget. Flip a switch when I get home from work, and it is ready to soak by the time dinner is done:)
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #33  
I have a 18 x 36 in-ground pool, 22,000 gallons. I built a small barrel type wood heater out of stainless steel. It is about 24" long and 18" diameter. It is double walled around the length so the entire circumference is a water jacket. One end is closed with a flue outlet and the front end is the door. It is fed from the bottom with a garden hose and the water outlet is on top. It works OK but it is too small for this much water. I just can't put enough wood through it. One degree would take about 176,000 BTU at 100% efficiency.

A co-worker who has a 20 x 40, 30,000 gallons, came up with a wood fired setup that can raise 60 gallons per minute 10 degrees or more. I am using this method now too. He got a heavy galvanized steam radiator about 20" square and 3" thick. It has 2" fittings on each end. It is fed from 1 1/2" lines from the pool pump. Thats how he gets the 60 gpm flow. It is laid flat in an insulated fire box and a fire is built under it. A small blower is used for combustion air. Without the insulation the 1/4" sides get red hot. With the blower, he is putting a lot of wood through it. I'll try to get some pics next time I get mine going. I'm near Pittsburgh, PA and this has been one of the worst summers for swimming that I can remember.

Global warming my *****.

Andy
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #34  
I think we need to ask Al Gore how he heats his pool(s). :D :D

Wedge
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #35  
A co-worker who has a 20 x 40, 30,000 gallons, came up with a wood fired setup that can raise 60 gallons per minute 10 degrees or more.
Andy

Wow, that is 288,000 BTU/HR at 100% efficiency. That would be 36LB of wood per hour at 100% efficiency. At 85% efficiency it would be around 42LB of wood/HR...
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #36  
My pool is 18x33 above ground. I have a clear solar cover for it, some type of cover is a must this year. Last year was actually worse hear in NH. I also have 2 - 4x10 foot solar panels that came off a house, I divert some water from the pump through them. These help assuming we have sun. It did get up to 85F one day but I wasn't home to swim it in. Then we had a couple inches of rain. I guess on the bright side, I haven't had to add any water to it. I have yet to have algae since going to liquid chlorine, just keep it close to 2PPM of Cl and the water is clear as can be.
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #38  
A few years ago, when we had a 12x24 above ground, I had to add cold water and leave the bubble wrap off it. This year I'm using many $$$ with a gas heater for the in ground. I don't like to look at my LP bill.
It has not been a good year in NH.
Frank
 
   / Homemade Pool Heater #39  
I did something like this a few years ago for our camper. I made a small one to sit on the stove and the 12vdc water pump pushes thru enough water to heat it. Sure beats having to find and install a h2o heater in a camper we only use a few times a year.
 

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