44hp tractor pulling questions

[e.myers]

Haven't got my tractor yet, but dreaming up uses for it around here.

have an old loaded up with junk type stuff tractor trailer box without the wheels, sitting on the ground. You see them for sale sometimes as storage type areas.

Anyway, I have serious doubts that it is possible to relocate with a tractor, but just figured I'd ask.

I'm guessing that a 44 horse tractor will pull my junk vehicles around correct?

May need to lift either the front end or rear end (no tires) and drag. Is this doable?

 

[brin]

Should be doable but you will tear up the turf...just go slow and hopefully not uphil but if you stay in low gear you have a lot of power there...

 

[e.myers]

Really? For the container too?
Thought the vehicles might be possible but really didn't think the tractor trailer box.

So, does 44 hp mean 44 HORSES..... really? I mean I can visualize 44 horses pulling that thing no problem.

 

[carpenter383]

Really? For the container too?
Thought the vehicles might be possible but really didn't think the tractor trailer box.

So, does 44 hp mean 44 HORSES..... really? I mean I can visualize 44 horses pulling that thing no problem.

Yes the tractor should drag cars around without wheels. But I doubt you'd even budge a full sized tractor trailer container without wheels.
A 44 hp tractor means the engine makes 44 hp, some tractors rate in pto hp. But no it definately does not mean you can pull the same ammount of weight as 44 real horses

 

[Treemonkey1000]

Might depend if they are Kubota Horses or Deere Horses

 

[e.myers]

That's what I figured.
Well how about this? Could I just lift up the tractor trailer container with my pallet forks..... Har har.

 

[mrlullabye]

Be freakin careful with that tractor trailer. I worked on a project where we were going to cut the top out of one of those Conex boxes. At some point we determined we could just flip it over and burn the plywood floor out a lot easier than burn the steel top out. We hooked a half ton pickup truck with 6 guys in the back and a 1 ton dualy service truck with a 2000 pound welding machine in the back and were not able to so much as budge it. All we were trying to do was flip it over so we had chained it up high on two corners. The dually truck actually broke one of those 2 inch wide (20000ldb rated) tow straps.

Good thing it was the dually without anyone in the back because that would have likely maimed the 6 guys in the back of the pickup.

Moral of the story those things are heavier than they look. Ours was empty. I would hate to think you took a 2 inch clevis hook to the back of the head and never got to post again.

You'll need a bulldozer or some sort of tracked vehicle to pull that thing.

Ours was the fullsize 55 foot model. If you have one of the baby 20 foot ones I would still be careful. If that chain or strap breaks youre done.

 

[art]

You are talking of about 13,000 lbs of dead weight. On wheels with a hydro I'd say yes but not with out.

 

[J_J]

Yes, I believe you can move that trailer if you have fore and aft rails under the floor, and you put some round logs under it. Another way I have seen people move large containers, is by placing two steel channel, separated by say 6 ft, flat side down, next put a greased 4 x 4 in the channel, and another steel channel on top of the wood, trailer goes on top, and what I saw, slid fairly easy.

I was also thinking of winching my trailer around the yard, using double pulleys, using different trees with a sling around them as a guide post. Similar to skidding logs.

 

[e.myers]

Mrllulabye-
Point taken!
Sometimes we forget the obvious potential for problems (broken chains etc!) Thanks for the heads up.

Your little experiment kind of reminds me of the masons excuse for being late to work song floating around in one of the forums here...

Sounded like a good idea at the time kind of thing.

art-
no wheels so, guess it's on to....

JJ-
No trees to pull it to the location I need it.
Don't think there is anyway to the angles, round logs etc under it....

Unless my lift of FEL, would lift up one end at a time enough to get something under it?

What does everyone think?

 

[J_J]

Do you not have jacks you can put under and raise up enough to put some logs under?

 

[mike69440]

My 18,000 lbs excavator will drag over 8,000 lbs thru the dirt, but would not budge a box trailer with a just a bit of hay in it.

 

[RadarTech]

I just moved a stump with a 10 foot section of the tree on it that fell on a neighbor's driveway..

I could not lift it with my tractor, but I was able to lever it.

Dugg a little trench under the nose, put some small logs under it and then built that into a lever. used the loader to push down on the lever( a small steel beam).. Got it up high enough to put several large (roller logs under it).

then drug it about 100 feet.

I suspect it was about 1200-1500 lbs..

Now as far as for the trailer...

If you can get your hands on some 3-4 in galvanized pipes at least 1 or 2 foot longer then the trailer is wide, these could be a good way to drag it..
It would likely take at least 8 to 10....

so the process would look like this:
Lever lift the box, put some under the front. and some in front of the trailer.
Pull it forward, and have at least 2 people to move the pipes as you slowly pull it... When the pipes get to the back of the trailer, have them moved back up front....

It has been at least 20 years since I saw this done, and it was done for a ~15 by 20 wood building loaded with tools... So weight should be about the same... I seem to recall this was done with an old Ford tractor- no idea the model or HP.. But it was not much bigger than my L3400 if I remember correctly.....

And it was on flat level ground. grass was cut and all was dry...

We also used to do this in shop class in high school with empty storage buildings (8x10 and 8x16) and we used 4 in PVC for them.. Built them in the shop, and rolled them outside after building them.


I hope this helps...

J

 

[RadarTech]

ah JJ--- I missed you log idea..
Sorry guy!...


ya know your new pic makes you look young!

J

 

[Renze]

So, does 44 hp mean 44 HORSES..... really? I mean I can visualize 44 horses pulling that thing no problem.

A Belgian horse will do about 18 hp, but not for more than minutes because it gets tired.
An average riding horse does 12 to 15 hp. A Shetland pony does about 8 hp.

1 hp is the power to lift 75 kg over 1 meter height in 1 second. That excludes the extra power for the acceleration of the inertia: So when a motor powers a winch to bring a 75kg load to a speed of 1 meter per second, you need to hand crank the winch to maintain that speed, to be putting out 1 hp. 1 meter per second is 1x60 seconds x60 minutes, is 3600 meter per hour, or 3.6 km/h

The power wont be a problem, the problem is to generate enough traction at a slow speed, to trade speed for force.

 

[e.myers]

Hey everyone.
It all makes sense to me (except for the horsepower explanation.... I did get some of it.... MUCH less than 44 horses to get the power of my tractor- wow), and sounds doable.

I think I want to REAL sure where the final resting place for this trailer is gonna be however. Wouldn't want to do that twice sounds like.

 

[Renze]

your tractor is about 3 horses... but horses wont spin their wheels so they probably have more lugging power.

My uncle lived on a swampy area. When they had their 22hp Lanz Bulldog hotbulb tractor stuck near a ditch (the ditch caved in, even though they stayed 3 foot clear of it) neighbours Ferguson couldnt move it at all because it had no grip in that soil.
Then another neighbour tried his 3 Belgian horses. The horses only leaned forward into the leather, then the tractor already moved before the horses actually moved their feet...


Cant you just borrow some temporary wheels, or get some worn out ones to put under that trailer ? Even if you had wheels on just one axle, it would make a great deal of difference.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

A general explanation of horse power as I know it is work done by a farm horse in one day. If you had a 20HP tractor, it would do the same work of 20 horses in one day. I doubt that this still holds true today though.

 

[Renze]

A general explanation of horse power as I know it is work done by a farm horse in one day. If you had a 20HP tractor, it would do the same work of 20 horses in one day. I doubt that this still holds true today though.

That could very well be in the right direction, as a horse has to take rest after every furrow you plough. It can deliver high forces (like pulling the Lanz tractor free) but only for short times because they need a breath from time to time. Tractors can deliver that power all day long.

I guess they calculate with a 24hr working day, when the horse sleeps at least 12 of those hours...

 

[J_J]

Horsepower from a horse
R. D. Stevenson and R. J. Wassersug published an article in Nature 364, 195-195 (15 July 1993) calculating the upper limit to an animal's power output. The peak power over a few seconds has been measured to be as high as 14.9 hp. However, for longer periods, an average horse produces less than one horsepower.

It is all relative, to what. You have to watch out for peak power, and avg power, and induced power.