T273 -what will be next problem?
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Redneck in training
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I have TYM 330 that had the same issue. The dealer gave me new sight and it took me only few minutes to replace it. I parked the tractor nose downhill, then used a screwdriver to pull the original sight out and pushed new one in.
What exactly happened to the sight plug? Gasket or o-ring fail? Pressure build up?
Wow -- a neighbor of mine is considering buying one of these. Problems occur in all brands, but this sure highlights why I chose to limit my search to just a few brands with well known support and engineering organizations (as well as corporate owned distributors): New Holland/Case, JD, Agco (and derivative brands), Kubota. And used was fine, balanced against any current financing packages.
In the US, many brands are distributed by independent importers. This creates problems when support is needed, as well as (often) dealers are not qualified (or supported by) professional organizations. You pay for that. I looked at JD, but found them to be at a premium versus my eventual purchase of a NH. According to my local JD dealer (as a former NH dealer, they were able to retain the NH parts and service business) parts counter man, there was a huge improvement of speed in order fulfillment from JD for parts, but that is part of what you get for the increase in price (including for parts). I didn't need that kind of response, so I gave up on buying a JD.
The independent importers are a big concern. If they go belly up, the follow on organization does not have to support the products the previous company distributed (depending on the way they became the importer in terms of bankruptcy laws), so you can end up with an orphan model, which means slow (if any) parts support, and possibly 3rd party (independent) repair shop. Which is too bad, as some very well known brands are otherwise not available here except as an unknown brand (LGs are Montana's, etc).
Ok, veered off course in this thread, sorry.
In the US, many brands are distributed by independent importers. This creates problems when support is needed, as well as (often) dealers are not qualified (or supported by) professional organizations. You pay for that. I looked at JD, but found them to be at a premium versus my eventual purchase of a NH. According to my local JD dealer (as a former NH dealer, they were able to retain the NH parts and service business) parts counter man, there was a huge improvement of speed in order fulfillment from JD for parts, but that is part of what you get for the increase in price (including for parts). I didn't need that kind of response, so I gave up on buying a JD.
The independent importers are a big concern. If they go belly up, the follow on organization does not have to support the products the previous company distributed (depending on the way they became the importer in terms of bankruptcy laws), so you can end up with an orphan model, which means slow (if any) parts support, and possibly 3rd party (independent) repair shop. Which is too bad, as some very well known brands are otherwise not available here except as an unknown brand (LGs are Montana's, etc).
Ok, veered off course in this thread, sorry.
LAWALLSTRACTOR
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TYM tractors are imported and distributed in the US by TYM tractors, no independent importers involved. That wasn't always true but now and for the last couple of years, TYM manufactures, imports, and markets their tractors in the US.
DonnieJames
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I had a leak in one of the rear hydraulic outlets. The dealer's mechanic came out, 85 miles one-way, fixed that problem and also put in a new sight glass and a new seal in the rear PTO at the same time-even though they were not leaking. I was told that they have had quite a few that have leaked and they didn't want to come back out if they started. The mechanic thinks that they don't use proper sealant on those two items. Anyway, no charge.
I still love my machine at 55 hours. It's all about the dealer.
flyer91
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I think I understand what you are saying ....... in Europe you have tighter standards, and the creeping is considered 'by law' to be a safety issue that is not tolerated at all.
It is not considered to be an 'allowable' operator adjustment, and the tractor has consequently, and as a direct result .... 'failed' your country's inspection specifically because it continued to move after the pedals were released, which was discovered when you had a mandatory inspection, accomplished after a certain number or repairs were attempted, that didn't provide a 'permanent' fix.
This has resulted in you not being given a permit or license (etc.) to operate it, and it is for now ..... either an awkward boat anchor, or an expensive example of unusable agri-art, awaiting 'special disspensation' from the tractor court to be abe to use it.(??)
If that is correct, then is sounds like your are right .... and TYM should not have sold, or be selling this tractor in Portugal.
IMO, TYM should not be selling this tractor anywhere.
My experience is that these things are simply real crap (period).
Those of you that don't have significant problems understandably don't feel this way, and if mine hadn't turned out to be such a huge piece of mechanical dung, I'd be right there with you in the TYM love fest.
It doesn't take any genius to connect the "well Golly-Gee Buckwheat ... I'm happy with mine" dots, if you are not having any significant issues, and so you hopefully (and I mean this sincerely) probably won't have any non-rainbow days ...... unless this "feces" happens to you.
Then ...... instead of second guessing those of us that are having real problems with these tractors, you will be doing as we are ...... "venting" in a "negative" way because ..... guess what ...... that's all that there will be for you to do about it.
I'm sure any sane person can understand our great displeasure with an $18K + purchase ...... (OK .... with every head bowed, and every eye closed, let's have some pause and take that in
................. E I G H T E E N___T H O U S A N D___D O L L A R S .... plus) .....
that is having problems of a scale that puts the TLB in the totally inoperative status. And then ...... having those issues being totally ignored by TYM when the friggen thing is basically brand new (I have less than 40 "non-problematic" hours on mine, and less than 50 hours total)!!
The OP is within his rights to be indignant.
There is apparently nothing TYM is doing to help us at all, EVEN though we are still well under what's looking to be a 'faux' warranty.
IMO people looking to buy one of these pieces of garden-garbage-TLBs should take great pause.
But I'll go you one further..... I'll sell my 60 hour TLB to the first $14K that comes my way ...... complete with the rest of that awesome 5 year warranty.
Its not that we are all the simpletons you portray us as (well maybe we are?) but it is likely we don't see the majority of the problems brought up as significant. Especially for the price point. That is not to say that your backhoe issue is not significant because it is. The fact is that you chose a dealer too far away because nothing close was impressing you and now it has become extremely cumbersome, frustrating and expensive to deal with the issues which have come up. FYI- I actually even thought about buying from the same dealer you did and I am in Nebraska.
Its tough to say what I would do in your position. For one thing, this forum speaks loudly and is an obvious medium where people come to place themselves in a position holding more perceived power than pre-internet days. That said, I doubt you are going to be able to squawk loud enough for TYM without some sort of legal action behind it. But specifically addressing the backhoe (which has yet to be determined the problem?) that is not a TYM product. My next steps would be to find the root problem, document it well and be persistent in getting the issue resolved with either TYM or LITW.
For the OP:
If the HST creep causes an inspection to fail and the user is not allowed to do the adjustment themselves all I can say to that is WOW. Wish I could help but I would do the adjustment anyway. Sounds like legal action may be your only option?
For Flyer:
For reflection, you might take a look back at your first few posts on this board and see who sounds "well Golly-Gee Buckwheat ... I'm happy with mine"!
Am I perfectly happy with mine? NOPE. Some of what I call the little things are what piss me off the most. But, I made enough $ in tractor work this summer alone to pay for the new TYM BT200 backhoe which recently dug the footings for my new steel building.
Good luck to both of you..
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You are absolutely right on your words, Fligher91, and glad to read your understandings. In fact safety issues are most critical in European countries after been summed the number of human lives lost on tractor accidents - note that Europe is old continent partly mountains higher up to 5545 meters where agriculture also take place.
All tractor brands, established for years, are aware of rules and fulfill requirements close to limits. Tym is new brand trying to reach market without background and discontent results coming to public discussion level with consequent negative results and "dirty"(?) worldwide.
Tym staff is based in England with 3 guys (? what is largest around the world(look website in Korea) without problem solving capacity. I would suggest Tym to remain within piece part producer for other brands and abort small tractor market .
Meanwhile the armchairs might be, comfortable and clients pay...
By the number of complains It seems that number of discontent owners is increasing. I understand we should help TYM on solving their pbls (and ours)by collecting in this forum the serial numbers of problematic units with corresponding year produced and major defects. This also could help new possible owners to refuse already identified serial numbers - my 40 years experience in industry/manufacturing shows that on production lines a problem never comes alone?
My is T273A1000076 year unknown (by Muffler installed is prior to 2006/07/25) Hst no neutral, burrs inside Hst, ball joints, broken muffler, blown fuses, wire short, no minus conn to engine block, FEL valve operation, deck lost wheels/no lub in axes, steering tube broken... 64hrs.
flyer91
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Its not that we are all the simpletons you portray us as (well maybe we are?) but it is likely we don't see the majority of the problems brought up as significant. Especially for the price point. That is not to say that your backhoe issue is not significant because it is. The fact is that you chose a dealer too far away because nothing close was impressing you and now it has become extremely cumbersome, frustrating and expensive to deal with the issues which have come up. FYI- I actually even thought about buying from the same dealer you did and I am in Nebraska.
Its tough to say what I would do in your position. For one thing, this forum speaks loudly and is an obvious medium where people come to place themselves in a position holding more perceived power than pre-internet days. That said, I doubt you are going to be able to squawk loud enough for TYM without some sort of legal action behind it. But specifically addressing the backhoe (which has yet to be determined the problem?) that is not a TYM product. My next steps would be to find the root problem, document it well and be persistent in getting the issue resolved with either TYM or LITW.
For the OP:
If the HST creep causes an inspection to fail and the user is not allowed to do the adjustment themselves all I can say to that is WOW. Wish I could help but I would do the adjustment anyway. Sounds like legal action may be your only option?
For Flyer:
For reflection, you might take a look back at your first few posts on this board and see who sounds "well Golly-Gee Buckwheat ... I'm happy with mine"!
Am I perfectly happy with mine? NOPE. Some of what I call the little things are what piss me off the most. But, I made enough $ in tractor work this summer alone to pay for the new TYM BT200 backhoe which recently dug the footings for my new steel building.
Good luck to both of you..
I had hoped to be more clear that "I would be right there with you" .... as a happy TYM owner, and 'I' would be able to understand how to connect the golly gee buckwheat dots ....... if I hadn't had any problems.
I think you are taking my post personally (possibly as a result of the lack of it being an eye to eye conversation when I wrote it) but if you re-read it I 'think/hope' you can see my intent was not to diss you guys.
Absolutely I 'was' a happy TYM camper for the first 40 hours of operation and wrote about it in the forum.
Now I am truly sorry if my initial posts had any impact whatsoever in persuading 'anybody' to buy a TYM product in any way, and I am hoping my initial enthusiasm is now better balanced for any current prospective TYM buyers.
In my case ... it's almost 100% sure that the tractor rear remote's return is intermittently dead heading, and taking out the hoe's O-rings.
Anybody here want to let me try their hoe to see if it will blow out the O-rings, so I can further test this out?
Anybody here want to pay for the difference between the LITW hoe and a TYM hoe to see if that works?
Anybody want to cover the cost for a trailer and gas to drive from central Ca. to N.Oregon and back, with whatever hotel costs for the duration of repairs that may or may not be effected at the dealer due to the intermittant nature of the issue.
Anybody want to invest $700+ more to buy a pump/tank to bypass a problem in a $18K product, that is under warranty for this issue when it has a (albeit small at this point) chance it won't fix anything?
Yeah ...... me neither. :-(
Ya know ..... if I distributed a product with a 5 year warranty, that had these hurdles for a customer to deal with in the event of similar significant issue, I think I would probably be 'less out of pocket' than if I had a real service network to deal with them, knowing that in the lack of same, the dealer would bear the lion's share of the issues, and labor being done (at no expense to me) by the owner, would I not?
I have a Monaco 40' diesel pusher motorcoach.
They have only two factory service centers in the US .......... 'and' a network of independent service centers that can obtain authorization to effect repairs if one of the factory centers is not close ....... at very little, to no additional cost to them.
Like TYM, JD, Mahrinda and others ..... they all pull their parts out of the same bins.
But Monaco is (plus or minus the current economy) committed to it for the long haul.
TYM doesn't have this agreement with other tractor service centers...... and I sincerely wonder why??
All us TYM owners will all be in the exact boat at some time.
Your TYM 'will' at some point need significant service.
Hopefully you will have had your $18K (or whatever price you are optioned to) of time/use out of it when it requires something beyond a bolt-on part, or you will be living/working near a dealer that can .... and will 'still' .... take care of the problem for you.
I definitely should'a bought a tractor with local service/support, but I'm not alone.
I am confident that time is 'absolutely' on my side of this debate.
Reading the forum has (over this past year) been proving this to be correct, as more former "Golly Gee's" (like my self) become more "TYM initiated". ;-)
pbradley68
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I had hoped to be more clear that "I would be right there with you" .... as a happy TYM owner, and 'I' would be able to understand how to connect the golly gee buckwheat dots ....... if I hadn't had any problems.
I think you are taking my post personally (possibly as a result of the lack of it being an eye to eye conversation when I wrote it) but if you re-read it I 'think/hope' you can see my intent was not to diss you guys.
Absolutely I 'was' a happy TYM camper for the first 40 hours of operation and wrote about it in the forum.
Now I am truly sorry if my initial posts had any impact whatsoever in persuading 'anybody' to buy a TYM product in any way, and I am hoping my initial enthusiasm is now better balanced for any current prospective TYM buyers.
In my case ... it's almost 100% sure that the tractor rear remote's return is intermittently dead heading, and taking out the hoe's O-rings.
Anybody here want to let me try their hoe to see if it will blow out the O-rings, so I can further test this out?
Anybody here want to pay for the difference between the LITW hoe and a TYM hoe to see if that works?
Anybody want to cover the cost for a trailer and gas to drive from central Ca. to N.Oregon and back, with whatever hotel costs for the duration of repairs that may or may not be effected at the dealer due to the intermittant nature of the issue.
Anybody want to invest $700+ more to buy a pump/tank to bypass a problem in a $18K product, that is under warranty for this issue when it has a (albeit small at this point) chance it won't fix anything?
Yeah ...... me neither. :-(
Ya know ..... if I distributed a product with a 5 year warranty, that had these hurdles for a customer to deal with in the event of similar significant issue, I think I would probably be 'less out of pocket' than if I had a real service network to deal with them, knowing that in the lack of same, the dealer would bear the lion's share of the issues, and labor being done (at no expense to me) by the owner, would I not?
I have a Monaco 40' diesel pusher motorcoach.
They have only two factory service centers in the US .......... 'and' a network of independent service centers that can obtain authorization to effect repairs if one of the factory centers is not close ....... at very little, to no additional cost to them.
Like TYM, JD, Mahrinda and others ..... they all pull their parts out of the same bins.
But Monaco is (plus or minus the current economy) committed to it for the long haul.
TYM doesn't have this agreement with other tractor service centers...... and I sincerely wonder why??
All us TYM owners will all be in the exact boat at some time.
Your TYM 'will' at some point need significant service.
Hopefully you will have had your $18K (or whatever price you are optioned to) of time/use out of it when it requires something beyond a bolt-on part, or you will be living/working near a dealer that can .... and will 'still' .... take care of the problem for you.
I definitely should'a bought a tractor with local service/support, but I'm not alone.
I am confident that time is 'absolutely' on my side of this debate.
Reading the forum has (over this past year) been proving this to be correct, as more former "Golly Gee's" (like my self) become more "TYM initiated". ;-)
The closest TYM dealer to you is in Oregon? It's my understanding that you can take it to any TYM dealer for warranty work. I was also told by a TYM dealer that if there are none in your area they will work with non-TYM dealers for warranty work. Granted this was all said by a TYM dealer/salesperson from another state than mine that I was getting a quote from so I'm not sure how true it is. My suggestion is to become a thorn in their side if you're not getting satisfaction. Email/call whomever you can daily and document your issues in as much detail as you can(like who you called/contacted and when and how many times). You may also want to consider filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau or contacting your local District Attorney for suggestions. If you manage to get anyone's ear at TYM I'd also include a link to this site showing the complaints. Also, I'd go to any and all TYM forums I could find and reiterate your issues and maybe you'll get lucky and someone from TYM will respond (or at the least it will make potential future purchasers aware of possible problems). Good Luck and keep us updated if anything changes.
N.W. Logger
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I have had everything on the list happen plus a cracked battery tray. I have 300 hours on my 273. I also have the tym backhoe which has worked great with no mechanical problems but it takes hours to remove and reinstall.
Hours? I can get mine on and off in about 10 minutes without hurrying.
Me too, maybe ours are screwed up....?
I'm gonna call TYM and find out why exactly ours are so easy!Could you address why it takes so long to remove/install your backhoe? I bet we can help you cut that time down quite a lot.
N.W. Logger
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Sorry it took so long to reply. (Been building a still, now that it is legal here)
I have tried everything to get the backhoe off with help from others. I level the tractor with the outriggers, pull the rear pins and drive forward. It will usually take 20+ attemps and a jack under the B.H. front mount, to get it off. I have tried using the B.H. to pull itself from the mounts, with no luck.
I have tried everything to get the backhoe off with help from others. I level the tractor with the outriggers, pull the rear pins and drive forward. It will usually take 20+ attemps and a jack under the B.H. front mount, to get it off. I have tried using the B.H. to pull itself from the mounts, with no luck.
jimmy123
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It also takes me some time to put back on you really seem to have it lined up perfectly it seems that the back hoe frame hits on the 2 link connectors on the bottom of the rear axle on each side. Coming off I think is pretty easy but I have only done this twice maybe practice makes perfect ?? I am open to suggestions.
So, do you just level it up and then disconnect the hoses? You really need to use the bucket, boom and outriggers to get it lifted enough to relieve the pressure on the connecting points (caused by the bh weight), pull the pins, drive the tractor forward a bit to see that it is indeed clearing the attachment points, and then shutdown and disconnect the hoses (after wiggling them to relieve the hydro pressure). Then drive off. The bh should self support long enough to get some blocking under/around it if it needs it. A little longer going on if you do it alone because you have to (at least I have to) get on and off a few times to make sure I'm not whacking the hydro lines with the frame of the bh. Other than that it is pretty much a reverse order drill of taking it off.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
I'm assuming there is no damage to your system or a factory tolerance error that is preventing the above sequence from working. If something has been bent or mis-manufactured, that is an issue for you to take up with your dealer.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
I'm assuming there is no damage to your system or a factory tolerance error that is preventing the above sequence from working. If something has been bent or mis-manufactured, that is an issue for you to take up with your dealer.
N.W. Logger
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Thanks for your replies. I follow the exact sequence, to remove the BH, as you do. I think I will check all the tolorances on the frames.
