AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming

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   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #41  
According to your theory agreement with Dick Cheney, then IF there was only a 1% chance of Iraq and ****** being a problem, then invasion and war is justified.


Thanks for turning your flame down.;)

Why are climate scientist destroying data, and "tricking" what data they have?

What do they have to gain? Well funding, power, and fame aside?
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #42  
Google - public data
Maybe this is why the CO2 has gone up.A more direct approch would be to take turns breathing,by breathing only 8 hrs a day we can cut the CO2 down to 1959's numbers
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #43  
According to your theory agreement with Dick Cheney, then IF there was only a 1% chance of Iraq and ****** being a problem, then invasion and war is justified.


Thanks for turning your flame down.;)

Why are climate scientist destroying data, and "tricking" what data they have?

What do they have to gain? Well funding, power, and fame aside?

I don't know that climate scientists are destroying and fudging data. And I certainly don't think they're all engaged in that kind of thing.

I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier IH but I do work with allot of very smart people and when it comes to getting them to agree on something I think I'd rather try to herd cats. :D:D

I'm sure that there are many climate scientists who have doubts and concerns about the methodology being used to model earth's climate. But I also think there are enormous financial interests in maintaining the status quo with regard to how we source the world's energy needs.
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #44  
Google - public data
Maybe this is why the CO2 has gone up.A more direct approch would be to take turns breathing,by breathing only 8 hrs a day we can cut the CO2 down to 1959's numbers

ken....you go first...then let us know how it worked out for you.;)
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #45  
Plants just love CO2. If we are worried about cutting down the rain forest, the CO2 will cause it to grow all over again. The earth has a way of returning to the state it likes. In 1900 less than 10% of New York state was forested. In 2000 over 60% of the state is forest land, and I'm sure that is true in many eastern states.

The farmers quit farming and nature returns to what it likes.

As I heard a scientist from Cornell University say one time. We all need to hear our homes with wood, it's the only carbon neutral material going. The trees take in CO2 and give off O2. When they are burned they give off CO2 but only to the extent of that which they have absorbed thereby a carbon neutral fuel.
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #46  
Eddie,

What do you suppose would motivate the vast majority of the world's climate scientists to engage in a conspiracy such as the one you describe?

It is not the "vast majority of the world's climate scientists" that are doing this. As we can now read in the stolen emails, it's a core of just a few dozen that are doing this and pressuring others to fall in line, or to use the media to ridicule them.

There are over 31,000 American Scientist, with over 9,000 of them with PHD's that disagree with Global Warming. Newsmax.com - 31,000 Scientists Debunk Al Gore and Global Warming

As to why they have lied about this, I can only guess that it's a combination of really "wanting" to believe it regardless of what the evidence was, the prestige of being the worlds experts, and of course, the money.

I sometimes wonder if Al Gore really believes what he's saying, or if it's just his way of making money and being a big shot. He comes across as a die hard believer, but then he's making tens of millions of dollars off of it, and is one of the worlds biggest personal poluters. While there might be others, he stands out as the biggest hypocrite out there. And then there is his refusal to debate anybody on the facts that he claims are proven. It would be real easy to win every debate if this was true and further his cause. So why doesn't he debate anybody?

His movie has nine major lies in it according to British Courts, and they have to be explained before the school children watch his movie.

Just this week, he lied about the emails in saying that they are all ten years old, and that there isn't anything in them that discredits the science of global warming. The most recent of those emails are just a month old.

Last week, my 12 yeard old daughter had to write a paper on why global warming is bad and what we can do to stop it. My wife and I spent the week before looking all of this up. There is an amazing amount of information out there. Some is wacky, but if you go to the governement sites, the university sites and the scientific sites, you'll find that it's all documented and refrenced. We read the articles and then did searches for those people listed and who conducted the study. It's truly amazing how easy it is to find out, and how rediculous all the claims are.

She wrote about the global warming hoax and how the science is so corrupted that nobody actually knows what is going on with the planet. She backed up everthing with refrences and footnotes. The teacher is a believer, but was forced to give our daughter a 103 because she received extra credit on top of her grade. We've gone to the Super Intendent before, and were ready to go again, but in the end, we didn't have to.

Just for fun, if you really want to learn about all of this, do some searches for yourself. I won't influence you on where to look, just start reading and look for references. You'll notice that those pushing global warming tend to rely on personal attacks, scare mongering and broad claims. While that's been a very effective method to get your point of view across, it's no longer as effective as it used to be. Especially now that we know from the emails, that's exactly how they were able to silence the critics in the scientific comunity.

Eddie
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #47  
I ran into this article yesterday. American Thinker: Understanding Climategate's Hidden Decline

Very interesting reading on how the data has been manipulated and falsified to give the desired result.

Last year? Earlier this year? One of the organizations talking about AGW has been caught twice with leaving out data that would show that global temperature had not gone up as much as they had stated. I wish I could remember the name of the organization. It would be interesting if they are the same as the ClimateGate group.

CRU, the group at the center of ClimateGate did not loose their data. They THREW it away during a building move. They said they did not have the space in the new offices to store the data. :eek: REALLY? They through out research that represents years of work and effort because they could not rent storage? REALLY? The man at the center of the CRU has received millions to study GW and he could not spend some tiny bit of that money preserving the data? REALLY?

What is interesting in the previously mentioned link is the discussion on how computer models are used to guess at worldwide temperatures. Back in the 80s when I still watched network news, there was a story on global warming and the use of models to predict future wet areas and desserts. The model in the report was full of gloom and doom such as the bread basket of the US would be a desert as would other areas in the world.

The problem with the model was that if they put in known data. Data representing the world as it was at the time. The model could not show the climate as it existed. :eek::rolleyes: So how in the heck could it be accurate forecasting the future? It could not.

People always talk about the vested money interests who are against AGW as if there are not vested money interests who support AGW. A certain famous person has made millions because of AGW. He has a 5 BILLION dollar investment fund driven by his preaching about AGW. Then there is the movie and his prize. He just got a 500 million dollar loan from the US government to build electric cars.

Yet he does not practice what he preaches. Go search for BioSolar One which is a 100 foot long boat. He says it only uses 4 gallons of diesel a month on a typical weekend. Typical means the engines just exercise them self at the dock but the of course the statement leads people to believe the yacht is very energy efficient. Supposedly the yacht will use two gallons per hour put putting around the lake which I find interesting given that my 48 HP engine use about a gallon per hour. I find it hard to believe that a yacht that big is going to be able to move at cruise speed for two GPH.

But this famous person has bought carbon credits to offset his climate killing behavior. I guess that makes him feel better. Seems like Martin Luther railed and nailed against being able to pay cash to absolve sin. :D

Later,
Dan
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #48  
There is a lot of 'cherry picking' of data going on here. No doubt by people on both sides of the issue.

It's hard to ignore melting ice sheets though, and that is an observable fact, it's rather easy to distinguish between ice and water :D It isn't subject to interpretation.

I try to use common sense. There are many indicators the earth's climate is warming from insects to ice. Whether people influence it seems to be the issue. It would be nice to know the total CO2 and other gases injected into the atomosphere annually expressed as 40,000 lb tractor-trailer loads. That would be a good perspective. I'll try to find a ballpark number.

Some scientist's think increased CO2 would be 'good' for us apparently. I want no part of that academic ivory-tower inspired science experiment. Thanks but no thanks. That sort of thinking always leads to big problems.
Dave.
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #49  
Russian scientists have proven that the surface of Mars has gone through identical heating and cooling phases as Earth. Yet, this has gone unreported. The media will assign 11 reporters to fact check Sarah Palin's book, but they won't fact check anything to do with global warming. How's that hoax and change working out for you?

BTW, AL Gore said on tv a couple weeks ago that the earth was a million degrees a few kilometers down. Excuse me Al, but the surface of the sun is only 6,000 degrees. This also goes unreported.
 
   / AGW-Anthrogenic Global Warming #50  
Russian scientists have proven that the surface of Mars has gone through identical heating and cooling phases as Earth. Yet, this has gone unreported. The media will assign 11 reporters to fact check Sarah Palin's book, but they won't fact check anything to do with global warming. How's that hoax and change working out for you?

BTW, AL Gore said on tv a couple weeks ago that the earth was a million degrees a few kilometers down. Excuse me Al, but the surface of the sun is only 6,000 degrees. This also goes unreported.

Mars? I don't live there. What's that got to do with anything? The core issue is - can the biological elements we depend on for life on Earth continue to support us in the face of rapid climate change? That's the only question that is relevant at this point - unless you know of an all-night diner on Mars :D - not fact-checkers, Al Gore et al.
 
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