Compressed Air Piping

   / Compressed Air Piping #22  
I can't believe after all the discussions on here about pvc pipe, and air lines, people are still oblivious to the danger, and the fact that it's use for air has been banned.

Besides the fact that compressed air behaves differently, you have temperature issues with compressed air, oil from the compressor, and chemicals in the air of your shop that will end up in the pipe to consider.

Only use a pipe that is rated for air. You have several options, Steel, copper, a slip fit aluminum system, and a type of pex made for air.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #23  
I agree I wouldn't use PVC for air lines, especially since there are kits available at resonable cost. But from my understanding of the OP's post the lines will be behind the wall for the most part thus redusing the risk of harm is the line should break.

Thanks to those who posted the air line systems. If I can remember them when I need them in a couple of years.


Wedge
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #24  
I feel the simplest is surface-mounted sweated copper. And of course, as said before, slope it all backwards to the compressor for easy draining.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #25  
Currently I have a small compressor connected to a pig tank at ceiling for more volume. I have a air hose running through rafters to front of garage where a spool of hose is sitting. I am only using air hose for compressors since 50 ft with the ends only cost 10 bucks and its flexible to go where I need to go. I don't understand why would anyone want to use anything else that would cost more?

The way I see it, those air hoses are MADE for air and if they do break, I would just replace it with another one. 10 bucks.. you can't really argue with that! I been using the same hoses for 15 years.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #26  
Hi,

There are these :

Compressed Air Piping, Compressed Air Systems, Do It Yourself Air Tool System

Complete Garage Air Line Kit


Specifically designed for air systems, easy to install and not too pricey.

Later


This stuff is the way to go, it's so simple no tools needed and is reusable, it's used in industrial applications. What more could you ask for.

I've got a little of it in my shop, along with some sweated copper tubing, I wouldn't use PVC, I was surprised to see all the PVC advocates at the beginning of this thread.




Currently I have a small compressor connected to a pig tank at ceiling for more volume. I have a air hose running through rafters to front of garage where a spool of hose is sitting. I am only using air hose for compressors since 50 ft with the ends only cost 10 bucks and its flexible to go where I need to go. I don't understand why would anyone want to use anything else that would cost more?

The way I see it, those air hoses are MADE for air and if they do break, I would just replace it with another one. 10 bucks.. you can't really argue with that! I been using the same hoses for 15 years.

Yup, I also have one of these setups going out the front of my shop to another coupler, but mine is a HD thick rubber one with compression type fittings on it. Flex is the way to go for sure, but don't know if I'd use the cheapo $10. hoses, I gave up on those awhile ago, If I'm going thru the effort of runny an air line, even as easy as it is, I want it to be something I can have a higher degree of confidence in.

I leave my system pressurized all the time, power off but pressurized, so if I need it I don't always have to run the compressor. Don't know if that's wrong or not but it's what I do. You can tell if you have any leaks, pressure stays the same for days even with 4 branch circuits.

JB.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #27  
I saw a 2" PVC compressed air line burst many years ago in a factory. It ripped the wall out the back of the building. Non for me. I have ran PEX for air lines in a dentist office as a test. It is working fine. I personally have sweat copper in my shop. I also use a remote tank when painting or running the sand blaster. It also helps catch extra moisture.

The PVC and hot water is not complete. It is CPVC and hot water. NOT PVC. Hot water and pressure can do wild things to PVC.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #28  
I knew this thread would eventually get Thrashed about the use of PVC
and is very well justified ;)
although there are some precautions can be made if choosing to use it...
You folks that plumb your shops with PVC or have future plans to do so, there is one step you can take to limit the risk of danger if the PVC were to give way and explode,((wear armer clothing, head gear and safety glasses))
just kidding :D
really though! you can feed the pvc through a larger conduit pipe, or better yet steel pipe, although by the time you have done this you might think about the cost and then go ahead and use primarily Glv steel pipe to Begin with, I know for some of us not having access to a threading device is what keeps us from using steel in the first place, how ever most home improvement supply stores can thread the pipe for you for a fee per each threaded end, if you cannot get the pipes threaded and decide to go with PVC? then as I said the next best precaution is to shield that PVC inside another pipe, even though the nipple for the QC would be still exposed outside the the shielding pipe you could heavily wrap this part in duct tap just in case it were to give way at this point the tape would help to hold back scattering particles, the schedule 80 cpvc is the best choice if having to use it, and is actually what I used in my shop, but I drilled holes in the wall studs and and fed the pipe through and finished the walls in 7/16 of OSB so the pipes are actually behind the sheathing, I regulate down to 100 psi fed to these lines, My compressor is capable of 150 psi, and sits in the inside front corner of my shop, I fed a Galv steel pipe through to the outside and then to a hose real that I can turn up the psi to 150, there is enough hose 50ft to feed back inside my shop if I need higher air supply, but usually for my nail guns ect, all I need is between 65-100 psi, I used the 150psi for things like loosening/tightening bolts or sand blasting, air sanding etc,
 
   / Compressed Air Piping
  • Thread Starter
#29  
The Garage Air Line Kit fits the requirement nicely. Thanks for the link, 777777.

As to why someone would want this, it's just a convenience. I think of it the same as the three cordless drills on the bench. All usually have a different tool chucked up ready to use.

I'll have a duster and an inflation chuck with integral gauge on a reel at the OH door and a multi use at my work bench.

Thanks for all the replies, guys.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #30  
Hi,

I piped my entire shop and my wife's art studio with copper air lines.
It's easy to use, connects quickly (you do know how to solder?),
is pressure rated and cools the air, condensing out the water. Doesn't
rust. My GALVANIZED pipe installation rusted like crazy, so I tore it
out, did the copper thing. The only drawback is that it is expensive:eek:, but I figured that doing it correctly would be cheaper in the long run.:D

I'd never use PVC under any circumstances, I've seen the damage that can result. I don't like working around hand grenades for the same reason.

I installed water down drops every 15-20 feet so water can be easily
removed from the entire system. All tolled, I've got about 100 feet
of line.

Bill
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #31  
My brother uses PVC in his garage for air, has for years with little or no problems.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #33  
I ran pex through out my shop and even 3 runs from the barn back to the house for a fitting in a closet upstairs, down stairs, and in the garage. Been that way since 2004 with no issues at 150 psi.

Chris
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #34  
I also plumbed my (125 PSI) shop air with schedule 40 PVC nearly 20 years ago. I too have a short length of rubber air hose between the compressor and the pipe. The number one issue with PVC is the derating when it gets too hot, and the section of hose does help limit that. Ignorance is, after all, bliss.

I suspect that by now, I would have had more problems with galvanized pipe rusting through.

Oddly enough, it's the PVC water line that burst one winter when we had sub-freezing weather for about two weeks (I live in Florida). I went out to my shop and heard a hissing sound as I approached the door. When I opened it, I was greeted by a beautiful winter wonderland display covering almost everything inside. The pipe had split just the right way to create a very fine fan of water aimed perfectly to cover at least 500 square feet or so. I had to drill a hole through the back wall (and sleeve it with copper pipe) to let the water drain out.

I fixed it and put one piece of pipe insulation on it, and have not had any freezing problems since.

And just this weekend my son returned from our "gazebo" on the lake with the water filter parts in his hand. The top looked like it exploded when it froze. I guess it got cold in the little bathroom a few weeks ago...

So far, freezing is worse to me than compressed air when using PVC.

Regards,

- Just Gary
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #36  
The Harbor Freight kit would be very hard to beat, BUT, it is probably China built. If you put it where it can be accessed if problems happen, you would be better off.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #37  
I also plumbed my (125 PSI) shop air with schedule 40 PVC nearly 20 years ago. I too have a short length of rubber air hose between the compressor and the pipe. The number one issue with PVC is the derating when it gets too hot, and the section of hose does help limit that. Ignorance is, after all, bliss.

I suspect that by now, I would have had more problems with galvanized pipe rusting through.

Oddly enough, it's the PVC water line that burst one winter when we had sub-freezing weather for about two weeks (I live in Florida). I went out to my shop and heard a hissing sound as I approached the door. When I opened it, I was greeted by a beautiful winter wonderland display covering almost everything inside. The pipe had split just the right way to create a very fine fan of water aimed perfectly to cover at least 500 square feet or so. I had to drill a hole through the back wall (and sleeve it with copper pipe) to let the water drain out.

I fixed it and put one piece of pipe insulation on it, and have not had any freezing problems since.

And just this weekend my son returned from our "gazebo" on the lake with the water filter parts in his hand. The top looked like it exploded when it froze. I guess it got cold in the little bathroom a few weeks ago...

So far, freezing is worse to me than compressed air when using PVC.

Regards,

- Just Gary

It all depends on how lucky you are. Not every PVC airline installation fails. If they did, we probably would not be having this discussion. I just don't want to be around when the random catastrophic failure does happen. And it will not happen in my shop.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #38  
The jury has decided, and the case is closed. PVC for air has been proven to be unsafe. People have been injured, and it has been banned for such use, by everyone who regulates it.

Any anecdotal evidence to the contrary, does not prove otherwise.

Anyone who uses it, is playing Russian roulette. Which, by the same logic is also safe, if the gun does not go off.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #39  
They way I see it, if you feel comfortable with PVC go for it. I think we are all aware of the danger. Some of us dont wear seatbelts, smoke cigarettes, and eat cheeseburgers from McDondalds. It's all a matter of what you feel safe with.
 
   / Compressed Air Piping #40  
They way I see it, if you feel comfortable with PVC go for it. I think we are all aware of the danger. Some of us dont wear seatbelts, smoke cigarettes, and eat cheeseburgers from McDondalds. It's all a matter of what you feel safe with.

I 'd like to Thank those types of people for providing me with job security.
 

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