Loved Ones - Toyota

[aczlan]

It still makes me wonder, all those runaway car stories...

It makes me wonder if in a year or so, this will turn out like the Audi incidents did, or if we will find that there is a missing piece which we have not yet heard about. If this is a software issue, it will be VERY hard to find due to the software complexity.

Perhaps it would be useful to have the option to install a "black box" that records all sensor input to the computer for the last 5 minutes (ie: brake use, throttle position, speed, engine rpms, transmission gear, shifter position, engine temp, throttle body position, etc) so as to make deciphering problems like this more simpler.
Perhaps even have a "storage area" where it dumps all of this data when an error is found so that the variables of the issue can be analyzed (sort of like the digital video recorders in police cars that keep the last 5 minutes of video and when they hit the lights it saves that video).

Turning the iginition off will be a bad idea as most probably the steering lock will engage at 100mph... Not good...

If you turn the key to "accessory" or "off" and then back on you should be able to still steer, but you will lose power steering/braking.

But a manual, you can hit the clutch or just pull out of gear.
An automatic, dont these have a lever with a bowden cable for park, reverse, neutral and drive ?

Not if it is an electronically controlled transmission. One of those would just have a switch of some kind under the shifter to tell the transmission computer what gear you requested and the computer does the rest with solenoids and such.

Aaron Z

 

[Egon]

install a "black box"

If I'm not mistaken many of the cars come with a version of Black Box already. What all parameters are covered I don't know.

Some have been used in accident investigations.

Simplest most positive solution to the runaway engine is a manual controlled Positive Air Shutoff. Probably the cheapest too!:thumbsup:

 

[patrick_g]

Perhaps I'm wrong but I believe they said they were pushing the "start" button but the car would not shut off - little did they or the 911 operator know but the Toyota's require the "start" button to be held down for 3 seconds to shut off the engines.

My question is why don't these cars have a detent maintained panic button like on all my industrial equipment?

My Toyota Prius does not require a 3 second button press to shut it off (so far since '04) My wife and I use a leisurely but not sustained button press. I'd guess a half second maybe, certainly less than a second. I have not driven any other model of Toyota for over 10 years and have NO CLUE about what other models require.

I believe I previously commented on a "panic button." Maybe it was thought to only be humor.

Pat

 

[escavader]

Just had my wifes SUBURU repaired at a [multi dealer]body shop ,as a woman backed into her .An older couple were picking up their Toyota car and she was mad claiming the throttle was stuck and she drove it into the back of her husbands truck.After they left i asked the manager how many TOYotas They had to repair that had been in throttle related accidents.He said every one and every make are recently claiming there throttle stuck causing the accident:laughing:That particular case the car was driven to the TOY dealership and the 'HISTORY" WAS READ ON THE ONBOARD COMPUTER.and it read the car did not accelerate.Iwas curious if any one knew how this works.
They have had people in other brands ,people with older TOYOTAS[with cable linkages]all trying to claim sticking throttles.
One woman with an 02 Tundra went off the road in a snowstorm and he claimed the tires were super smooth with zero tread.She tryed the 'my throttle stuck ' answer.The truck had the older type cable linkage and the dealership tested it finding no problems with it.
No doubt there is a serious problem out there,but i wonder how many of them are just excuses to get out of paying for their own screw ups.People tend to hear this stuff and try to use it to their advantage i think,we live in a world of sue happy people.
Iown an 08 TUNDRA ,ITS THE BEST TRUCK I HAVE EVER OWNED ,but ill admit all this is scaring the heck out of me.As soon as spring comes ill take it out of storage and get the fix done.Theres talk of a brake over ride install,this disappoints cause i wont be able to do a burnout:laughing::laughing:
Heres my excuse im gonna use: Honest officer i didnt mean to go 100 on the freeway,but my truck accelerated cause the throttlestuck and it wasnt my fault

 

[turbo36]

.An older couple were picking up their Toyota car and she was mad claiming the throttle was stuck and she drove it into the back of her husbands truck.After they left i asked the manager how many TOYotas They had to repair that had been in throttle related accidents.He said every one and every make are recently claiming there throttle stuck causing the accident:laughing:That particular case the car was driven to the TOY dealership and the 'HISTORY" WAS READ ON THE ONBOARD COMPUTER.and it read the car did not accelerate.Iwas curious if any one knew how this works.

Not sure how the dealship could have "read" the history unless they had the one and only laptop in existance that could do this.
AP IMPACT: Toyota secretive on 'black box' data - DailyFinance

 

[Bird]

I drove up I-35 into Oklahoma today and just north of Marietta, next to the fence in a pasture, someone has a big hand painted sign that says, "I bought a Toyota Lemon"

Nothing else on the sign to say when, where, what model, why it's a lemon, etc.

 

[Dmace]

10 people have made complaints that their Toyota is still accelerating out of control even AFTER the recall "fix" has been performed.

Toyota Recall Fix Not Working, Drivers Tell Federal Safety Agency - ABC News

 

[BobRip]

10 people have made complaints that their Toyota is still accelerating out of control even AFTER the recall "fix" has been performed.

Toyota Recall Fix Not Working, Drivers Tell Federal Safety Agency - ABC News

The question is (it's up to 60 now) is this just an installation error (60 out of a million is pretty low) or is there another design flaw.

 

[riptides]

The question is (it's up to 60 now) is this just an installation error (60 out of a million is pretty low) or is there another design flaw.

OR is it sixty fixes that did not have the problem to begin with, and are now having it.

 

[turbo36]

(60 out of a million is pretty low).

I would agree that 60 per million is small but I wouldn't want to be one of those 60!:smiley_aafz::laughing: