10/2 wire question

[captaincrab55]

You can use white tape on each end to mark the wires but I recall the electric code does not allow this practice on wires smaller than 6 ga., so for a 10 ga. wire it should be white to start with.

Better to call an electrician than to burn down property that belongs to someone else.

There are some exceptions to the NEC, that allow smaller wires to be taped (color coded).. That exception applies to manufactured cables such as; NMB, BX, MC and others... In the 39 years that I've been in the Trade, I haven't seen an approved 10/2 cable that didn't have a white or identified conductor...

Sounds like one has the wrong cable...

 

[ampa]

I'm not gonna' touch anything in the fuse panel in this rented house, as far as what you guys are telling me about electrical codes,I think that the owner of this house hired a cheezy electrician,because no where is there any conduit to these electrical boxed recepticals beside the main panel which is a big mess of wires,so I guess I'm living in a death trap so to say,anyhow I'm gonna' get hold of a Lincoln rep and ask him why his company sell a 110volt welder that infact needs a 20 amp service to run it proper and it's equipped with a normal 15 amp 3 prong plug,I've read enough insaults to last me a life time,some about the way I type,I know how to it's just that I wanted to creat a sort of stye of my own,I've seen people do it like this<> or-------etc I like it like this.......so bite me!....and I'll do it any way I like with typing out a post... it's a free country or is it?Hmmmmmm lets think about that for awhile...thanks to the guys that know what they're talkin' about... I was listening!!!!.....the others????? unsigned this time round you know who I am>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Steve_Miller]

Take everything you read here with a grain of salt and don't let it bother you. Everyone has an opinion on something, right, wrong or indifferent. I'm no electrician, I just happen to work in the industrail side of the field working with mostly three phase equipment, PLC's, VFD's, etc... If you let all the negative stuff bother you you'll miss out on a lot of good info as well. Now that you have some feedback you can probably make a better decision on what you can do and move forward. No need to tell anyone here what that decision is as it is yours to follow through on. Good luck with the welding, it is a lot of fun and satisfying to built something with your own hands.


Steve

 

[captaincrab55]

I'm gonna' get hold of a Lincoln rep and ask him why his company sell a 110volt welder that infact needs a 20 amp service to run it proper and it's equipped with a normal 15 amp 3 prong plug,

ampa, That 3 prong plug should be marked with it's ampere rating... If it's marked 20 amps, it should be used on a 20 amp branch circuit with a 20 amp receptacle...

Let us know Lincoln's reply.... If you lived within 50 miles of me, I would install it free for you....

 

[ampa]

Thanks for the kind words from both u guys....Emailed Lincoln waiting for a reply>>>>>>>>

 

[ampa]

Okay guys....Here's what I was told...not to exceed and use a single breaker no more than what the welder draws and that is 125 volt 20 amps, the Lincoln has a heavy flat type 3 wire cord with a heavier standard type 3 prong plug in on the end of it's power cord...the single round receptical I bought is the correct type and is rated for 125 volts 20 amps it takes both the T type and the standard 15 amp type plug in so I don't have to change the plug on the welder....I just need to get a 20 amp breaker and around a foot and a half of 12/2 wire consisting of a black and white and the bare copper wire, this be for the receptical and the 20 amp breaker..the 50' extention which is a construction type 10/3 extra heavy duty....my friend Don the electrician will come by and check my installation out and see if I've done everything proper just being a friend doesn't mean his work is free without charge he even charges his own brothers/kin for his services, cause he's held responsible for any errors and could lose his licence,so anyhow I'm not to plug in anything till he checks it out, plus the use of the heavy duty extention is safe as it's rated @ 1800 + watts,Yes and I will lose amperage because of it being over 30' but if I was tripping the 15 amp breaker I should have a couple extra amps to play with plugged into the new 20 amp breaker....anyhow if it's not up to par/code the way Don told me to do it,then he'll make it right.....so anyhow, guys things are lookin' on the brighter side of things..Ampa:thumbsup:

 

[ampa]

I went to home Depot...and picked up the 20 amp breaker decieded to get 1 metre of 12/2 I think it used to be called BX cable years ago....anyhow it's for baseboard heaters...rated for 125 volts and can handle 20 amps,the aluminum coverd has the black and white/nuetral plus the bare copper for the ground attachment for inside the main breaker panel...I may just pay Don to wire it, I'm quite sure he'll be okay with the material I bought.....Ampa>>>>>>

 

[mustangsallysdad]

Okay guys....Here's what I was told...not to exceed and use a single breaker no more than what the welder draws and that is 125 volt 20 amps, the Lincoln has a heavy flat type 3 wire cord with a heavier standard type 3 prong plug in on the end of it's power cord...the single round receptical I bought is the correct type and is rated for 125 volts 20 amps it takes both the T type and the standard 15 amp type plug in so I don't have to change the plug on the welder....I just need to get a 20 amp breaker and around a foot and a half of 12/2 wire consisting of a black and white and the bare copper wire, this be for the receptical and the 20 amp breaker..the 50' extention which is a construction type 10/3 extra heavy duty....my friend Don the electrician will come by and check my installation out and see if I've done everything proper just being a friend doesn't mean his work is free without charge he even charges his own brothers/kin for his services, cause he's held responsible for any errors and could lose his licence,so anyhow I'm not to plug in anything till he checks it out, plus the use of the heavy duty extention is safe as it's rated @ 1800 + watts,Yes and I will lose amperage because of it being over 30' but if I was tripping the 15 amp breaker I should have a couple extra amps to play with plugged into the new 20 amp breaker....anyhow if it's not up to par/code the way Don told me to do it,then he'll make it right.....so anyhow, guys things are lookin' on the brighter side of things..Ampa:thumbsup:

If that extension cord is rated at 1800 watts, it only factors out to about 14.4 amps. Double check the rating on the cord jacket...I would think a #10 would be rated higher than that. 50' of #10 shouldn't have that much voltage drop.

 

[ampa]

Mustang this extention is rated for 1875 watts...I was told the makers always under rate these extentions so I'd like to agree with you that this 50' would be okay it's a really heavy duty,the first extention was no where near the size of this one although I was told being 12/3 it would also handle the 20 amp breaker no problems...the only thing I can do is when everything is connected, I'll try it and get get back to everyone and let you all know if it works or not...if it don't I guess I'll be usin' my 125 volt Lincoln in the work shop...just have to set it up usin' the 20 amp receptical,and isolate it by building a fire wall...with a fan to filter the fumes outside....I hope I don't have to revert to this....Thanks for the reply.....Ampa:thumbsup:

 

[captaincrab55]

ampa, Keep in mind, if your working in a sub-panel you can't land neutrals and grounds on the same bar.... On the other hand, if it's a service panel one can land grounds and neutrals on the same bar... Remember to only land one wire under each screw.....