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   / Reputable Dealer #51  
When doing my research before buying I discovered the UTDA and their standards, after that, If it was not a UTDA tractor I was not interested.

UTDA is great but those parts are easily obtainable and cheaper to add to the tractor yourself. I just can't see where safety features and fresh paint = 3-4k to the price. You can easily buy a used yanmar and add all the safety features to it and have less then half of what a freshly painted dealer tractor will cost you.

The little secret is out about these grey market tractors which is pushing prices up and making what once was a super bargain on a great machine on par in terms of price with US branded used equipment.

good example Ford 3000 and 4000 series tractors are more tractor and cost less then yanmars now, both 30+ years old.
 
   / Reputable Dealer #52  
Have to agree Smoody, the UTDA price for ROP's which is Re.f'ndiculous should be a Low Cost or No Cost UTDA dealer safety feature. Just how much is the actual cost to manufacture them. 75$ if that!
And My Ford 8n Funk upgrade, still puts them to shame. And it's 50+ yrs.old working on 60 :p

Carey
 
   / Reputable Dealer #53  
It just annoys me at the inflated prices when I know what price ranges they are importing them at...ridiculous.

Southland Equipment in Greenville SC was the only dealer I EVER found that sold the Yanmars as they were off the container and he had the best prices in the country from my research, all they did was unload, inspect, change fluids, start it, then sell it..no makeovers or any of the crap that doesn't matter, they are made to work not sit in a showroom. last I heard they were making business changes and were going to start importing again. When and/or if that happens I will be buying another Yanmar.
 
   / Reputable Dealer #54  
Safety features and fresh paint don't add 3-4k to our tractors....more like...oh.... $700-800, mostly for the safety features (the paint job is not costly), which we think is money well spent... Some folks disagree, and that's fine. But, the ROPS are expensive because they're engineered, tested to failure, and manufactured in the good ole US of A. Believe me, I wish they were cheaper too, but the development cost for each individual ROPS model was >$10,000, and samples of each tractor model had to be shipped to MN for testing. If you want to bend and weld some tubing and bolt it onto your tractor, you might be able to do it for $75, and it might hold up if you...say.... flip the tractor off the side of your flatbed....it might....Then again, it might not...who knows. But a dealer wanting to sell safe used tractors to his customers, and stay in business, can't rely on "might"...and I don't think tractor owners should either. That's why we use ROPS that have been designed, tested, and built by professionals... $700 sounds like a lot of money, until your tractor is upside down on top of you.

Unfortunately the days of ordering up a container of cheap YM2000's, 2310's, 2210's, & whatnot....and unloading, changing fluids, and having mostly good usable machines that can be sold with minimal investment of labor and parts are pretty much gone. This is not a conspiracy of greedy dealers raking people over the coals for massive profits. Anybody who doesn't believe me....I'll send you a copy of my tax return...I'll bet you $20 you made more than I did last year. Anyway, it's just the current day reality that the available machines are older, and rougher, and there's more competition for good units from buyers all over the world....not just the US. There was a time a few years ago when we just had to say goodbye to some very desirable small 4x4 models because they were all getting sold to Australia for more profit.

UTDA membership and tractor quality are really separate issues. The UTDA just makes demands on its member dealers to equip the Yanmars they sell with safety equipment, perform safety inspections for other Yanmar owners, and to offer parts & service to any UTDA tractor owner. The UTDA says nothing about warranty, reconditioning, or anything else. Somebody selling used, as is, no warranty Yanmars straight out of the container could become a UTDA dealer, it's not that hard, and their prices would be affected by the cost of the safety equipment only. The VN reconditioners could join the UTDA too, but none of them have. The fact that many of the current UTDA membership is selling highly reconditioned tractors that aren't at the bottom of the price pile is just a... I don't want to use the word coincidence...... They're people who want to offer a product that's at the top of its market in terms of quality, safety, appearance...and so joining the UTDA makes sense. Other folks operate on a business model of low price low price low price above all other considerations.... that's fine.... that's their choice and that's what some buyers are looking for... the beauty of capitalism, you know.... but don't think for a second that if you go that way you're going to be getting the same quality of tractor.

While UTDA membership and tractor quality are separate issues, tractor quality and price are not of course. Cleaner, lower hour machines cost more in Japan than raggedy high hour ones do. Mechanics in the US get paid more than those in Vietnam. A tractor (like most of ours) that has NEW: radiator, water pump, belts, hoses, battery, tires, exhaust, steering wheel, seat, UTDA safety equipment, and a rebuilt and dyno tested engine with new pistons, rings, sleeves, bearings, and gaskets costs more than those that haven't had these things done..... no conspiracy.... just the unavoidable economics. Don't get me wrong, I salute the guys that find that cheap diamond in the rough, and then do all those repairs themselves and end up with a great tractor that they know inside and out... I think that's AWESOME....and those are some of the same guys who have so much valuable wisdom to share here with others.

If it were still a viable business for folks to import containers and sell them as is with minimal parts and labor input, there would be more people doing it....that beauty of capitalism thing again.... because thats WAY EASIER and WAY CHEAPER than the process ours go through. But those relatively clean 15 year old Yanmars you could get back in the day are now 30 year old Yanmars, good ones are more scarce and therefore more costly, and they require more investment to be what most folks (in my opinion) would consider a "good used tractor".
 
   / Reputable Dealer #55  
Whatever LMTC JR. And please stop PM ing me for a UTDA dealer selling non ROP tractors.:confused:

Ouch! That's pretty ironic.... LMTC Sr. probably has a picture of me on his dartboard.

I did stop already, after sending ONE pm in response to your post.
 
   / Reputable Dealer #57  
ProdaddyTX , basically you want me to believe the OLDER the yanmars get the more they will cost? It doesn't take a dealer to know that is total BS and the prices are not higher as I have recently inquired and received inventory and pricing from a top Japanese exporter, are you telling me the BIG US dealers are getting same pricing as me when they order truck load after truck load? I hardly doubt that....you can justify wanting to sell the best used yanmars money can buy but you will never justify 4,000 dollar markups....UTDA means squat to me.

OH and if you are having to replace all the parts you mentioned in your rant then you are not getting any better machines then the ones sent to Vietnam.:eek:
 
   / Reputable Dealer #58  
i called southland 6 months ago and they had no tractors and the lady said they were looking into or thinking about importing yanmars in the future, and at that time i think they might have had a few that were either trades or someting picked up or bought at auction, cant remember. They had just moved their shop and were at a different location at that time than previous years.

If all those things need to be replaced it dosent sound like a grade a/b tractor. i am happy with my vn tractor i maybe made not the best half knowing decision, but i have say 90% tires and after my firt rad leaked i got a brandnew under warrenty one and my seat is new and sterring wheel mayaswell be new not dry cracked or cut up, i have new belts hoses, not sure about h20 pump but they said its new(weather u trust that i will leave up to you not trying to start this debate)and looks good, maybe rebuilt? As far as the engine, i have not opened it so i have no idea as to the "reconditioning" but i like my tractor and have no problems with it. I am not tring to say vn is better or start any debate as to why they suck or so on or are bad but just pointing out a whole container load or tractors needing those things is not "good" machines at least to me, one in the container is a different story.

By the way do they have sheds in Japan? do any of the farmers put there tractor under a shed or even a piece of plywood? There all so terrible looking it seems there are older fords of the same era that still look pretty good for 25-30 yr old machines, and well there are those that look like they have been sitting out for 30 yrs.
 
   / Reputable Dealer #59  
while I don't know about 4 k mark ups. I do know that I could have bought a VN recon. For the same price I paid for my non VN recon . There were no savings on the VN tractor. As a business owner. I do know that If you don't make a profit you won't be in business very long. If it is a 4 k mark up it's ok with me. He has to be able to stay in business, pay employees, pay workmens comp,liability ins, power bill, etc, etc, Ever bought a new vehicle ?? What was the mark up ?? Every bought any plumbing/ hvac parts from a contractor.. If I buy a part for $5.00 do you thing I'm going to sell it to you for $5.50 ??If it's so easy to buy these tractors & import them, sell them. Then why don't every body do it & make hugh profits ?


While I'm at it.. Keep Wayne ( LMTC) out of this
 
   / Reputable Dealer #60  
Ever bought a new vehicle ?? What was the mark up ?? Every bought any plumbing/ hvac parts from a contractor.. If I buy a part for $5.00 do you thing I'm going to sell it to you for $5.50 ??

Yea I have bought a new truck and there is a ridiculous markup. but it is NEW, not 30 years old, it also came with a 5 yr warranty.

As a business man myself I understand the need for profits, that doesn't make it ok for me to sell a house for 20k more then its actually worth does it?
 

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